London Underground

[Countdown]

Two contrasting headlines from the BBC

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-16175309

and

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-161747...

Now, I'm a strong believer in "a fair day's pay for a fair day's pay" but I have to admit "Triple pay plus TOIL" seems akin to taking the p155 at a 9th Dan level.

Wtf?

[valiant1]

Never heard of negotiation then?

Start high and then meet in the middle.

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

[ukwill]

Negotiate what? seems to me that they want to renegotiate something about every 4-6mths.

Automated tubes cannot come soon enough.

signed, 10 million London commuters.

[CypherP]

ukwill said:

Negotiate what? seems to me that they want to renegotiate something about every 4-6mths.

Automated tubes cannot come soon enough.

signed, 10 million London commuters.

Yep, all we need to do now is get the planes to load and fly themselves, and every overpaid striking bd can see how the other 2.6 million people feel.

[sleep envy]

valiant1 said:

Never heard of negotiation then?

Start high and then meet in the middle.

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

how much are you hoping to get - £366 plus one day's TOIL?

[miniman]

Working on Boxing Day? Oh boo hoo hoo. They need to get real - what proportion of the UK workforce springs back in to action on Boxing Day now compared to a decade or two ago? The world has changed - not necessarily for the better IMHO, but change is change and if people think that piling into shops to snap up discounted tat is preferable to vegetating in front of Home Alone 2 with a massive pile of turkey sandwiches and a metric tonne of Celebrations then that's up to them. They need to be able to transport themselves around the c(r)apital.

bbc said:

An agreement in 1992 specified drivers would earn about £44,500, work a 35-hour week and have 43 days' leave.

FFS.

[Neil H]

"A spokesman said an agreement in 1992 specified drivers would earn about £44,500, work a 35-hour week and have 43 days' leave."


Sack the fkers, there'll be plenty of people lining up to replace them.

[bristolracer]

Sounds like a good gig to me.

If i lived in London id apply for a job

Not saying its right, just if you cant beat em........

[Lee_sec]

bristolracer said:

Not saying its right, just if you cant beat em........

If only it was that easy...

[GTIR]

They're famous for their Christmas jumpers.

[AyBee]

ukwill said:

Negotiate what? seems to me that they want to renegotiate something about every 4-6mths.

Automated tubes cannot come soon enough.

signed, 10 million London commuters.

How on earth do they expect any sympathy from those they provide a service to when they already "earn about £44,500, work a 35-hour week and have 43 days' leave.", i.e. more than a lot of people who use the tube whilst working less and having almost double the holiday entitlement.

Reasonable would be double time at best, not what is essentially quadruple time and holding the capital to ransom when they don't get their way!

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Lee_sec said:

bristolracer said:

Not saying its right, just if you cant beat em........

If only it was that easy...

AIUI its some kind of closed shop i.e. Only existing staff can apply to become train drivers.

I could be wrong tho'

[F i F]

Neil H said:

"A spokesman said an agreement in 1992 specified drivers would earn about £44,500, work a 35-hour week and have 43 days' leave."


Sack the fkers, there'll be plenty of people lining up to replace them.

This ^^, not to mention the other unstated "extras"

Automated control, can't come soon enough, what are the implications for engineering at stations etc ? Anything? DLR seems to work OK.

[valiant1]

Countdown said:

AIUI its some kind of closed shop i.e. Only existing staff can apply to become train drivers.

I could be wrong tho'

Generally you start as a station assistant and then apply internally as and when a recruitment drive happens.

Station assistant jobs are advertised via the website for all to apply (again as and when a recruitment drive is on).

Very occasionally there is an external drive for drivers.(Last one was about 4 years ago).

[valiant1]

F i F said:

This ^^, not to mention the other unstated "extras"

Automated control, can't come soon enough, what are the implications for engineering at stations etc ? Anything? DLR seems to work OK.

Every DLR train has a member of staff on board. If they go on strike then no DLR.

[GarryA]

I reckon when it get the dates for driverless working they will go on strike, which will stop the tubes, which will speed up the commissioning lol.

[ukwill]

And the sad thing is, it will ultimately be the Union(s) who fk their own members over. They long ago lost the sympathy of the public. No one will give a toss when they move to automated systems. In fact 99% will be thankful for it.

Every fking year they strike. Gets on my fking tits considering the package.

[MX7]

miniman said:

Working on Boxing Day? Oh boo hoo hoo. They need to get real - what proportion of the UK workforce springs back in to action on Boxing Day now compared to a decade or two ago? The world has changed - not necessarily for the better IMHO, but change is change and if people think that piling into shops to snap up discounted tat is preferable to vegetating in front of Home Alone 2 with a massive pile of turkey sandwiches and a metric tonne of Celebrations then that's up to them.

Absolutely.

Are any other public servants who work on Boxing Day going on strike?

[Wills2]

They got what they wanted for the olympics as well, quite opportunistic aren't they.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/sep/13/olympics-...

[GarryA]

Wills2 said:

They got what they wanted for the olympics as well, quite opportunistic aren't they.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/sep/13/olympics-...

Well the people running the olympics posed fines of a gabillion pounds if the tubes didn't work so the drivers just played the ace card and agreed a deal which is way cheaper than the fines for not operating the tube.