Griff And Chimp Brakes Are They The Same?
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They all vary (all from Ford ranges except the very last models with spider wheels ) depending on year of manufacture & engine size... on top of that they are commonly upgraded (with parts from better specced Chims/Griffs or other TVRs like AP 4pots or even a large selection of aftermarket options)
Yes, 4.0 have the smaller discs and pads/calipers, of 4 cyl sierra's, the 4.5 i'm fairly sure have the same 5.0 brakes which are V6 Sierra.
Rear is common Ford handbrake type rear, Chimp/Griff/Sag/Tuscan/Tam etc.
Cerbera has internal hanbrake shoes though.
You will find some weird stuff where no doubt what was on the shelf dictated!
Rear is common Ford handbrake type rear, Chimp/Griff/Sag/Tuscan/Tam etc.
Cerbera has internal hanbrake shoes though.
You will find some weird stuff where no doubt what was on the shelf dictated!
Richard
Pre-1996 non-5 litres: 239.5 x 24 mm front discs and calipers from non-ABS Sierras; 253 x 10 mm rear discs
5 litres and 1996-on others: 260 x 24 mm front discs and calipers from ABS-equipped 1.8/2.0/2.3 Sierras; 273 x 20 mm (vented) rear discs. Rear calipers same for all models.
Before bolting the equivalent of a pair of anvils to your front hubs, try some decent pads first.
5 litres and 1996-on others: 260 x 24 mm front discs and calipers from ABS-equipped 1.8/2.0/2.3 Sierras; 273 x 20 mm (vented) rear discs. Rear calipers same for all models.
Before bolting the equivalent of a pair of anvils to your front hubs, try some decent pads first.
To put that in perspective a 1.4 Puma has 240's and a 1.7 260 vented.
And wifes Puma was hopeless on the brakes - now on 300mm vented from a ST170 and Mondeoa calipers - now awesome stoppers.
And the 500 has how much more power(!), weighs a few kg more too, any you will be carrying ALOT more speed into a corner than a Puma and expecting the same sized fronts and similar sliding sleev calipers to haul them up!!
Griff and Chims were spec'd down big time in the braking area compared to the Cerbs.
One good thing was the rear on the larger lumped ones were good and needn no upgrade (273 vented), even if you go big on the front.
If you drive it like you stole it you will want big Tuscan / Cerb type APs / larger discs, if you just drive fairly sensibly then the std stuff if ok. Try the better pads first.
And wifes Puma was hopeless on the brakes - now on 300mm vented from a ST170 and Mondeoa calipers - now awesome stoppers.
And the 500 has how much more power(!), weighs a few kg more too, any you will be carrying ALOT more speed into a corner than a Puma and expecting the same sized fronts and similar sliding sleev calipers to haul them up!!
Griff and Chims were spec'd down big time in the braking area compared to the Cerbs.
One good thing was the rear on the larger lumped ones were good and needn no upgrade (273 vented), even if you go big on the front.
If you drive it like you stole it you will want big Tuscan / Cerb type APs / larger discs, if you just drive fairly sensibly then the std stuff if ok. Try the better pads first.
jellison said:
To put that in perspective a 1.4 Puma has 240's and a 1.7 260 vented.
To put that in perspective, all contemporary road tests but one were fairly complementary of the Chim and Griff's brakes, something that cannot be said of the handling (especially bumpy roads). The damping on these cars as per factory isn't as bad as people say (especially w/ the Bilsteins), it just has a tough time controlling the unsprung/rotating weight on each corner with such a light body on top. After looking up the weights of 240 vs 260 vs 278/283 mm Ford discs I completely went off the idea of bolting much larger front discs to my car - especially as I don´t think I´ve ever got the teeny tiny 240 brakes with DS2500 pads to show significant fade on the road despite my driving being on the license-threatening side of the law for more of my TVR seat time than I care to admit already, and there´s not much weight to be saved by replacing the standard calipers which are less than 3 kg per side (front) on both 240 and 260 mm equipped cars. Instead, when the current discs and pads are up for renewal I´ll probably get the later calipers with 260 mm, heat treated 2-piece discs from Sandtler Motorsport in Germany or even retain the current 240 mm set up with 2-piece discs. Oh, and S/S braided lines at the same time...
Race type grade pads from, Carbone Lorraine/Ferodo/Pagid and the other high end manufacturers will stop these, you may need to duct them also on track to protect the fluid.
But proper pads do not fade and fluid will boil first.
I am stopping big powerful racing E types these days with my stuff, in actual race conditions. Pad area is even smaller than the Ford caliper.
Dinky Jag Caliper
Ford caliper is either 4016 or 4023 (larger one) but they are both bigger than the Jag.
http://www.clbraking.co.uk/pdfs/CL_Braking_Pads.pd...
But proper pads do not fade and fluid will boil first.
I am stopping big powerful racing E types these days with my stuff, in actual race conditions. Pad area is even smaller than the Ford caliper.
Dinky Jag Caliper
Ford caliper is either 4016 or 4023 (larger one) but they are both bigger than the Jag.
http://www.clbraking.co.uk/pdfs/CL_Braking_Pads.pd...
David Gerald had this on display at the NEC Classic show the other week.
http://www.davidgeraldtvr.com/parts2.asp
http://www.davidgeraldtvr.com/parts2.asp
neutral 3 said:
Who does an upgrade kit for them apart from Willwood ?
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