E39 finally gives up...
E39 finally gives up...
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skoff

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1,387 posts

265 months

Friday 16th December 2011
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Well, tonight my beloved old 530iAT finally gave up on me... It has developed a gearbox fault and I think it's simply not going to be economical to repair.

It's been like a comfy pair of slippers for the 67K miles I have done in it (it's now showing 147K). It's been a good car, hardly the paragon of reliability, it's let me down a few times and it's cost me a few £££s along the way, but certainly no more than the depreciation would have been on a newer, duller car; and when it was working (which to be fair was most of the time) it has done its job perfectly. It has also spurred me on to do some of my own repairs and maintenance, which has been great fun, and taught me a lot. So all in all I don't think it owes me anything now, it's time to let it rest in pieces...

I will be sad to see it go, not least because I will realistically have to replace it with something small and economical and boring... Ho hum.

So, my question is what bits can I get away with removing before I send it to the scrap yard? I suppose some of the bits could be sold on fleabay like interior trim cargo net etc... Anybody have any advice?

miniman

30,211 posts

293 months

Friday 16th December 2011
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You think, or you know? What is the fault? Have you had the car plugged in to diagnose?

skoff

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1,387 posts

265 months

Friday 16th December 2011
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Well yes ok, it's a 'think' as opposed to a 'know', it just has the feel of an expensive problem.

It all started the other morning, I pulled away from our house and there was a 'thump' and the little cog light came on... I stopped, switched the car off and then on again and the light went away. I was on my way to work so decided to chance it. I'd seen the light before (though without the thump), after a ferry crossing 6 months ago and it didn't come back after switching it off.

All was well for about 30 miles up the motorway when the thump happened again and the box dropped to 4th and wouldn't select gears manually using the steptronic. I was near my exit so I pulled up off the motorway an switched off again and all was well. I was close to work so I drove it there. When leaving work it was fine all the way home.

Today I drove to work and all was still well with the car, but on the way home I got the thump again. I stopped again which cleared the fault, but as soon as I got to about 70 it happened straight away. It drove ok apart form that and as soon as I came off the motorway I stopped and the fault cleared, but I'm not going anywhere further than walking distance in it now, I feel it in my bones that it's about to lunch itself. (By the way, I do know this isn't a particularly reliable method of car fault diagnostics...)

If it was just the light, I'd say it was an E39 glitch, battery, sensor, or some such problem, but the thump suggests something mechanical. Even investigating such things makes it a bit uneconomical, it's a 10 year old gas guzzler and worth buttons in today's market.

sprouting

490 posts

215 months

Friday 16th December 2011
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Your going to have to spend money one way or another, it might as well be on a car you already know a love than some boring ecobox you'll hate and is still worthless after 30 seconds!


miniman

30,211 posts

293 months

Friday 16th December 2011
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You need to plug it in. If the light has come on, then it will have stored what it thinks is wrong with it.

If you can get it somewhere near Bristol, I will happily plug it in for you.

skoff

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1,387 posts

265 months

Friday 16th December 2011
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Cheers for the kind offer miniman, I work in Bristol, so that's a real possibility if you are around in the evening weekdays?

I hear what you are saying sprouting, and you make a convincing case. I'm just not sure I want to carry on with the E39, the problems seem to be popping up a bit too regularly these days. When all is said and done it's my daily drive, it just needs to plod up and down the motorway reliably, and it's not really doing that job well any more. I get my PH kicks elsewhere and I purposely bought an old barge with the view to run it till it died. Still, you have made me think that maybe I should save it, but there are financial limits. Then of course there is the excitement of getting a new car biggrin

miniman

30,211 posts

293 months

Friday 16th December 2011
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Evenings not so easy but if you could fetch it round to my office (Baldwin Street) at lunchtime we can see what the diagnostics say.

VinceFox

20,566 posts

203 months

Friday 16th December 2011
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do it, save the 39!!

skoff

Original Poster:

1,387 posts

265 months

Friday 16th December 2011
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miniman said:
Evenings not so easy but if you could fetch it round to my office (Baldwin Street) at lunchtime we can see what the diagnostics say.
Ok, yeah a lunchtime works well too - thanks biggrin

Gotta love PH.

sprouting

490 posts

215 months

Friday 16th December 2011
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Ok, fair point. Then rather than a dull drive to work, how about a step back in time to a e34 525i. Motoring heaven if you ask me. Cheap to buy and apart from maybe some age related parts, depending on the quality of initial purchase, should make happy hassle free motoring.

Sorry gone totally off topicboxedin

Pentoman

4,836 posts

294 months

Friday 16th December 2011
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miniman said:
Evenings not so easy but if you could fetch it round to my office (Baldwin Street) at lunchtime we can see what the diagnostics say.
Do it, and report back, I want to hear if it lives!!

MarsellusWallace

1,180 posts

232 months

Friday 16th December 2011
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The 'thump' you are hearing is probably the gearbox locking itself into 'limp home' mode.

It might not necessarily be a big problem but even if it is id wager you could pick up a secondhand gearbox for around £200 or so,hardly enough to warrant scrapping the car.

miniman

30,211 posts

293 months

Friday 16th December 2011
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skoff said:
miniman said:
Evenings not so easy but if you could fetch it round to my office (Baldwin Street) at lunchtime we can see what the diagnostics say.
Ok, yeah a lunchtime works well too - thanks biggrin

Gotta love PH.
Ok I'll dig out the old laptop and make sure it still works!

Fox-

13,575 posts

277 months

Friday 16th December 2011
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Sorry but... what? Why does this mean you have to scrap the car? Even if it costs £1500 to rebuild its surely worth it, what can you buy for £1500 that will be even half as good?

What can you buy for £15000 that will be even half as good? Certainly not a newer BMW - been there, done that, got the t-shirt, got back into the E39.

I will never understand this curious obsession we British have with the value of our cars. It's a car you've had for a long time and you really like. It is broken, so... fix it. Then continue to enjoy it.


Edited by Fox- on Friday 16th December 23:40

BlitzE34

284 posts

181 months

Saturday 17th December 2011
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E39's are not that robust, unlike like E34's.

sparks_E39

12,738 posts

244 months

Saturday 17th December 2011
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Gearbox re-builds arn't £3000 anymore for the E39. I'd say it's worth doing, it would be a shame to scrap an otherwise decent car.

DennisCooper

1,340 posts

202 months

Saturday 17th December 2011
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Hi

I agree with Fox above - there's nothing really you can buy that will be in the same league and do call Automatic Man in Acton for the gearbox rebuild if needs be. I paid £1475 inch VAT in 2007 when my gearbox went kaput at 172K miles. It's now on around 220K and I'm just keeping this car long term - when things go wrong, I'll replace and fix. When the F11's are down to a reasonable price I may jump into one of those, but there's some lovely E61's which might tempt me.. E39 will still stay as a workhorse though!

Cheers, Dennis!

MattOz

4,021 posts

295 months

Saturday 17th December 2011
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You can get a full rebuild at ZF in either Belgium or Holland. Can't remember which country, but do recall that a chap with a high mileage 535d got his done there, in a day, for about £700 all in. was a thread on it somewhere.

Certainly not worth binning an E39 just because the gearbox needs a bit of work.

Fox-

13,575 posts

277 months

Saturday 17th December 2011
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You need £30k to replace an E39 Touring properly, because you need an F11.

Max M4X WW

5,031 posts

213 months

Saturday 17th December 2011
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DennisCooper said:
Automatic Man in Acton
He did mine in 2009, 25k miles ago (before I owned the car) but its quite thumpy sometimes and there is a delay when selecting reverse frown