Stickers on lorries

[saleen836]

I'm sure you have all seen them on the backs of lorries while your held up in a long slow moving line of traffic...'This vehicle is limited 40/52-Driving Responsibly'
Would these people like to explain how holding up countless vehicles causing congestion and also possible accidents as frustrated drivers take risks to overtake can be classed as 'driving responsibly'!??

[matthias73]

I also get annoyed by slow lorries, but on the other hand I don't know if they would be terribly safe doing 60-70mph with certain loads in their trailer?

[Roadrunner23]

Because HGV's are limited by law to 40 mph on single carriageway roads

[2004sti]

Have you any idea of the speed limits for lorries? I agree with you with regard to the the supermarket trucks, whose bosses seem to be in a competition as to who can set a speed limiter the lowest, but 40 mph is the limit on a single carriageway, 50 mph on a dual carriageway and 60 mph on a motorway.

[loko]

not again
we dont put the stickers on we just drive them, the "driving responsibly" refers to the enviroment, less speed less emissions etc........
if it was upto me we would still be doing 60 - 65mph

[matthias73]

loko said:

not again
we dont put the stickers on we just drive them, the "driving responsibly" refers to the enviroment, less speed less emissions etc........
if it was upto me we would still be doing 60 - 65mph

Become a trucker in america

[loko]

i,ve got a diesel for work but thats still one hell of a commute

[Danesgate]

There are two groups of vehicles that feature in a vastly disproportionate way in the number of fatal collisions.

Motorcyclists (as fatalities, not a great surprise)

HGVs (as involved in fatal collisons, compared to number on the road and miles covered)

[And172940]

2004sti said:

Have you any idea of the speed limits for lorries? I agree with you with regard to the the supermarket trucks, whose bosses seem to be in a competition as to who can set a speed limiter the lowest, but 40 mph is the limit on a single carriageway, 50 mph on a dual carriageway and 60 mph on a motorway.

Although the speed limit is 60 on a motorway, all lorries including 7.5 tonners are speed limited to 56 mph by law

[Ray Luxury-Yacht]

Yes, they get the way sometimes.

But without them, we'd have empty shelves in our shops.

And 44 tonnes of rolling steel doing 70mph??? Um, no thanks!!!

Plus lorry drivers do a boring job, for pretty average pay, with lots of rules and legal regulations to follow.

And I imagine in this environment they have bosses who push them continuously, because time is money and fuel costs a bloody fortune these days.

I guess they do have the perk of doing a few rapes now and again (copyright J Clarkson)

But on balance, I say give them a break, and grin and bear it.

Lets face it, they're amongst the most highly trained and specialist road users we have these days, amongst a sea of ignorant car driving and middle lane hogging. I'm glad that there are still some professional drivers on our roads who take driving seriously.

For the record, I have driven thousands of miles around the country when I was racing, and then again when I was in sales. And in all that time I can only remember a single incident with a lorry that caused me a bit of road rage. Compared with numerous idiots in cars...

[Cock Womble 7]

saleen836 said:

I'm sure you have all seen them on the backs of lorries while your held up in a long slow moving line of traffic...'This vehicle is limited 40/52-Driving Responsibly'
Would these people like to explain how holding up countless vehicles causing congestion and also possible accidents as frustrated drivers take risks to overtake can be classed as 'driving responsibly'!??

Here's a thought - why don't you slag off a whole section of society for simply obeying the law?




(For the record, I don't rigidly stick to 40mph on single carriageways, or 50mph on dual carriageways, but that's just me. The law is the law. Don't have a go at lorry drivers, have a go at those who impose the rules.)

[anonymous-user]

Roadrunner23 said:

Because HGV's are limited by law to 40 mph on single carriageway roads

Sorry OP but this is true, I understand your frustration but as a holder of such a licence i am guilty of being that annoying truck driver. Happily though I am not some car hating nutter so the only advice I can offer is that you come out one day in a fully loaded 44 tonner and see just why 40mph is fast enough on most of these roads.

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It is just this difference in limits that puts the nail in the coffin of "safety" cameras, you see i could (if allowed) go through one at 60mph in a HGV,it wouldn't go off, and I would be breaking the limit by 20mph. If a car went through at the same difference then the camera goes off, so it appears a speeding HGV is just fine??
I have been past scamera vans in an NSL at 60mph driving a 3.5ton van instead of the 50mph I should be doing and never get fined, it it was a car breaking by the same margin then bingo, £60 fine and 3 points.It's all about the car driver and not the safety.

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Apologies for the rant there but truckers do drive cars too so I get the anger but as it is my living and the roof over my head then I will stick to 40mph for now.

[GlenMH]

NorfolkInClue1 said:

It is just this difference in limits that puts the nail in the coffin of "safety" cameras, you see i could (if allowed) go through one at 60mph in a HGV,it wouldn't go off,

You might want to be careful about assuming that

[Cock Womble 7]

NorfolkInClue1 said:

Sorry OP but this is true, I understand your frustration but as a holder of such a licence I am guilty of being that annoying truck driver. Happily though I am not some car hating nutter so the only advice I can offer is that you come out one day in a fully loaded 44 tonner and see just why 40mph is fast enough on most of these roads.

One can usually - for that read "safely" - go faster than 40mph, regardless of load.

NorfolkInClue said:

I could (if allowed) go through one at 60mph in a HGV,it wouldn't go off and I would be breaking the limit by 20mph. If a car went through at the same difference then the camera goes off, so it appears a speeding HGV is just fine??

I have been "done" (twice) by a speed camera that "knew" I should have been doing 40mph in a 50mph zone because I was in a lorry.

[heebeegeetee]

Danesgate said:

There are two groups of vehicles that feature in a vastly disproportionate way in the number of fatal collisions.

Motorcyclists (as fatalities, not a great surprise)

HGVs (as involved in fatal collisons, compared to number on the road and miles covered)

Could you back that up with some stats, cos every stat I have ever seen has shown the complete opposite - pro rata over mileage an hgv has a considerabley lower accident rate compared to cars.

[anonymous-user]

apologies for being a bit general there, I am aware of some cameras that I believe were labelled "mass sensitive" but clearly not all cameras and certainly not something I would try, just making the point thats all. IIRC these cameras were in the northeast when on trial, might be wrong.

As for your other point, well yes, you can go faster than 40mph if you want, however on long stretches of unfamiliar roads I prefer not to, thats just me.
I think most car drivers find it most annoying when they are on there own local roads which they know and get stuck behind me. The most frustrating I have found is on roads in areas like Lincolnshire where you get wide roads with great views but both you and the car drivers know that the police in that area just love a camera van or a little speed trap so niether party risks it!!

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 16th December 22:43

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 16th December 22:46

[And172940]

GlenMH said:

You might want to be careful about assuming that

I believe that the ANPR cameras (the one's that don't flash) read your number plate and then know the gross weight and speed limit of your vehicle.

[Graham]

And172940 said:

Although the speed limit is 60 on a motorway, all lorries including 7.5 tonners are speed limited to 56 mph by law

only newer truck, my 7.5 tonner will do 80, eventually.... but not uphill!!!

[And172940]

Lol, especially if it's overloaded...
I know there is an age thing with this, my oldest 7.5 tonner is an 02 and that had to be restricted a couple of years ago but I don't know when the cut-off is.

[BonzoG]

heebeegeetee said:

Danesgate said:

There are two groups of vehicles that feature in a vastly disproportionate way in the number of fatal collisions.

Motorcyclists (as fatalities, not a great surprise)

HGVs (as involved in fatal collisons, compared to number on the road and miles covered)

Could you back that up with some stats, cos every stat I have ever seen has shown the complete opposite - pro rata over mileage an hgv has a considerabley lower accident rate compared to cars.

Perhaps they have a lower accident rate, but when they are involved in an accident it's more likely to be a fatal one?


Also with regards to the 40mph/single carriageway thing - I find it more helpful when a wagon sticks to 40mph. Allows you to exploit many shorter overtaking opportunities which would not present themselves if the wagon was doing 50ish.

Edited by BonzoG on Friday 16th December 22:51