Why are ships mooring here? Anglesey
Why are ships mooring here? Anglesey
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cheadle hulme

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2,502 posts

211 months

Tuesday 27th December 2011
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So, ever since somebody posted this link

http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/

I've become a bit obsessed with seeing whats going on along the North Wales coast. There are regularly ships moored off the NE coast of Anglesey in a little group. They're all bound for Liverpool, presumably waiting for the tides.

My question is why do they all gather there? (there are 4 big ones there at the time of posting)

Buff Mchugelarge

3,316 posts

179 months

Tuesday 27th December 2011
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Its so they dont get picked on by the older boats. wink

That site's intriguing isn't it?
Ive spent hours nosing about at the ships and boats near me

tank slapper

7,949 posts

312 months

Tuesday 27th December 2011
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It could be waiting for the tide, but many ports are dredged to be accessible at all states of tide these days. Ships stop in anchorages for a variety of reasons. They might be early or late for their docking time, and have to wait for it or the next available space. They may be waiting for a pilot to be available to take them into port. They may be waiting for orders for their next voyage.

As for why that area, it is relatively deep to close inshore there, and the shoreline will provide shelter from the prevailing westerly winds which means a calm anchorage. It is also very close to a pilot boarding area marked on the chart.

davepoth

29,395 posts

228 months

Tuesday 27th December 2011
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Anglesey is a nightmare for shipping; they'll be waiting for slack water to navigate round I should think.

eccles

14,367 posts

251 months

Wednesday 28th December 2011
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They've done it for quite a while, I remember seeing boats parked up there back in 80's.

0a

24,133 posts

223 months

Wednesday 28th December 2011
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They even map that funny bus-boat thing in London!


Rum Runner

2,342 posts

246 months

Thursday 29th December 2011
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They wait there as it is sheltered from the prevailing SW winds and it is straight run without tidal gates to Liverpool bar plus a fairly short distance.

Changedmyname

12,549 posts

210 months

Thursday 29th December 2011
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I dont' know.

bob1179

14,138 posts

238 months

Friday 30th December 2011
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Great website! I've spent ages looking at what sort of boats loiter just off our coast.

smile

SimonV8ster

12,993 posts

257 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2012
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Yeah, good find !! Just been doing some sailing and was after that site thumbup

village idiot

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296 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2012
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you often see ships anchored up in strange places as it costs nothing to put an anchor down, but shed loads to keep one in a port. when the ship is not on charter, it makes sense to anchor it somewhere in a geographically convinient location with a care-taker crew. this is one of the reasons why lots of ships sit off the coast of gran canaria near las palmas... it is almost equidistant to Europe and the US and falls conviniently outside of the EU's fiscal zone so bunkering is nice and cheap.

...either that, or they are waiting for the tide/berth

eccles

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251 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2012
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village idiot said:
you often see ships anchored up in strange places as it costs nothing to put an anchor down, but shed loads to keep one in a port. when the ship is not on charter, it makes sense to anchor it somewhere in a geographically convinient location with a care-taker crew. this is one of the reasons why lots of ships sit off the coast of gran canaria near las palmas... it is almost equidistant to Europe and the US and falls conviniently outside of the EU's fiscal zone so bunkering is nice and cheap.

...either that, or they are waiting for the tide/berth
I seem to recall that there are big buoys in the sea where the boats park up, so it looks like it's designated parking spot.

RegMolehusband

4,113 posts

286 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2012
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I wouldn't like to be moored in the Irish sea in these gales!

tank slapper

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312 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2012
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eccles said:
I seem to recall that there are big buoys in the sea where the boats park up, so it looks like it's designated parking spot.
Navigation buoys usually mark features. They can indicate the edges of a channel, an isolated danger such as a rock or wreck, a sandbank, the mouth of a river or inlet etc. They don't normally indicate an anchorage, but anchorages are often indicated on charts.

There isn't a designated anchorage at Anglesea, but ships are usually free to anchor wherever the master deems safe. There are often areas where anchoring is prohibited though, due to underwater cables, oyster beds and sites of scientific interest, explosives dumping grounds and other things likely to cause problems.

Here is what the chart looks like for that area:


eccles

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251 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2012
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tank slapper said:
Navigation buoys usually mark features. They can indicate the edges of a channel, an isolated danger such as a rock or wreck, a sandbank, the mouth of a river or inlet etc. They don't normally indicate an anchorage, but anchorages are often indicated on charts.

There isn't a designated anchorage at Anglesea, but ships are usually free to anchor wherever the master deems safe. There are often areas where anchoring is prohibited though, due to underwater cables, oyster beds and sites of scientific interest, explosives dumping grounds and other things likely to cause problems.

Here is what the chart looks like for that area:

No being a nautical type, I've no idea the relevance of your map. smile

I just remember parking up at Cemaes bay, or maybe Bull bay or Red wharf bay and seeing large buoys out at sea with large ships either tied to them or parked near them.

tank slapper

7,949 posts

312 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2012
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It could well have been Bull bay, as that is marked as an anchorage. Chances are any buoys nearby were navigational rather than for mooring ships to. There aren't any marked on the chart there now, but that isn't to say there weren't in the past. Trinity house have been steadily trying to reduce buoyage around the coast, with the increase in modern communications and navigation systems. Where I sail, many of the huge metal buoys have been replaced with far smaller plastic ones which are a lot harder to see at a distance.

cheadle hulme

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211 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2012
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There is a pilot based at Point Lynas too. Two ships that had been there for the last 3 days moved off towards Liverpool tonight of all nights..
I assume the pilot comes aboard and pilots into Liverpool and then has to wait for another outgoing ship to get back again?

Thanks for the info so far.

cheadle hulme

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Tuesday 3rd January 2012
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double post

Edited by cheadle hulme on Wednesday 4th January 12:40

jonno990

420 posts

207 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2012
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I use this site http://www.shipais.com/currentmap.php?map=livbay

Did you notice the names of the vessels heading to Liverpool?


Deva Link

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274 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2012
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eccles said:
They've done it for quite a while, I remember seeing boats parked up there back in 80's.
There used to be a deep water oil termimal off Anglesey - oil was then pipelined to Stanlow. Delivery was moved to Tranmere in the 80's and the terminal was closed.