No Need for SVA?

[ChrisJ.]

TVR rolling chassis:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TVR-CHIMAERA-ROLLING-CHA...
Because there isn't an 'SVA' any longer??

Can you really re-body a TVR chassis and legally put it back on the road?, with nothing more than an MOT?

[Russ Bost]

Providing the chassis & suspension remains as original then I believe no IVA required - see the Top gear electric vehicle for what can be got away with!!!

[p1doc]

i would check with a few kit car manufacturers ,i bet if you contact dvla they will say needs IVA!
martin

[m4thew]

might be of some help, taken from the .gov website


Allocating a vehicle registration mark
The vehicle must score eight or more points to retain the original registration mark. If less than eight points are scored or a second-hand or modified chassis or altered monocoque bodyshell is used an Individual Vehicle Approval (IVA), enhanced single vehicle approval (ESVA), single vehicle approval (SVA) or motorcycle single vehicle approval (MSVA) certificate will be required to register the vehicle. A 'Q' prefix registration number will be allocated.

Scoring components
The following values will be allocated to the major components used:

chassis or body shell (body and chassis as one unit - monocoque ie direct replacement from the manufacturer) (original or new) = 5 points
suspension = 2 points
axles = 2 points
transmission = 2 points
steering assembly = 2 points
engine = 1 point
Where there is evidence that two vehicles have been welded together to form one (ie 'cut and shut') a 'Q' mark will be allocated, IVA, ESVA, SVA or MSVA will be required.

[Steve_D]

The first problem would be finding a kitcar body that would fit. The TVR chassis is a very unique form being neither spaceframe, ladder or backbone.

I think IVA requirement would be a very grey area and probably down to the local DVLA offices interpretation of the rules.

Not something I would want to take the risk on.

Strange it is only the chassis available...chassis is normally the bit that lets the car down (after electrics that is).

Steve

[Comadis]

no IVA test for kitcars is actually best and legally realized by a company called Sammio Spyder (even their demo cars look completely botched together)

if you do a re-body on an exisitng unmodified chassis and drivetrain...you will avoid any IVA tests.

[m4thew]

Comadis said:

no IVA test for kitcars is actually best

....Really?

[ChrisJ.]

m4thew said:

Allocating a vehicle registration mark
The vehicle must score eight or more points to retain the original registration mark.

Thanks.
I counted 14 points.

[slomax]

m4thew said:

.....or modified chassis is used an Individual Vehicle Approval (IVA), enhanced single vehicle approval (ESVA), single vehicle approval (SVA) or motorcycle single vehicle approval (MSVA) certificate will be required to register the vehicle.

what counts a modification though?

Is welding body mounts onto a chassis is a modification?

I guess it depends how much of an arse/what the interpretation of the rules the local DVLA are/have

[Dave Dax builder]

That chassis, if unmodified will not require an IVA/SVA test.
You can add brackets and remove brackets, so long as the chassis structure itself is not altered (Which includes outriggers etc.)
The "Chim's" wheelbase is the same as a Cobra.....Seems the natural choice to me.

[Steve_D]

Dave Dax builder said:

That chassis, if unmodified will not require an IVA/SVA test.
You can add brackets and remove brackets, so long as the chassis structure itself is not altered (Which includes outriggers etc.)

My DVLA office told me that any change, including adding/removing brakets or engine mounts, constituted a chassis modification. In my case they just gave it a new number out of the book which I then had to stamp in alongside the original which then had a line put through it.
Then SVA and an age related plate.

Steve

[Dave Dax builder]

Steve_D said:

My DVLA office told me that any change, including adding/removing brakets or engine mounts, constituted a chassis modification. In my case they just gave it a new number out of the book which I then had to stamp in alongside the original which then had a line put through it.
Then SVA and an age related plate.

Steve

Ahh, ok. You live and learn )
In that case then it would be the body that needed bracketry to reach the existing TVR factory body mounts.
I knew that if you "Bobtailed" a Range over by cutting off the overhang part of the chassis at the rear it needed a IVA test. God knows why though as it doesn't affect the main chassis in any way...Hey ho.

[EFA]

You're all wrong I'm afraid. You only need an IVA to register a new kit car (low volume, non-type approved)

Any car using a doner can legitimately use the ID of the donor, provided the V5C record is updated in terms of description etc. All talk of use of unmodified chassis or "points scored" is all bo11ocks. The DVLA will of course not tell you this, neither will anyone who has a business interest in building kit cars or IVA consultancy. The DVLA have a problem with the canyon which exists between their unenforcable policies (INF26) and the law (Road Vehicle Licence and Registration Act).

How else did they ever arrange the amnesty? That never went through the Lords now did it.

[m4thew]

EFA said:

You're all wrong I'm afraid. You only need an IVA to register a new kit car (low volume, non-type approved)

Any car using a doner can legitimately use the ID of the donor, provided the V5C record is updated in terms of description etc. All talk of use of unmodified chassis or "points scored" is all bo11ocks. The DVLA will of course not tell you this, neither will anyone who has a business interest in building kit cars or IVA consultancy. The DVLA have a problem with the canyon which exists between their unenforcable policies (INF26) and the law (Road Vehicle Licence and Registration Act).

How else did they ever arrange the amnesty? That never went through the Lords now did it.

Phew, read this just in time. Im glad you posted this as i was just about to follow the goverments procedures regarding this issue but yours clearly over rule them. Thanks.

[m4thew]

Just incase anyone missed my previous link, here it is again

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSell...

[m4thew]

A bit more food for thought is that if you dont go the IVA route you are going to have to insure the vehicle, more than likely, as a heavily modified example equating to higher insurance per annum compared to a kit car policy. Also you have the issue of annual mot's, iva the car and your exempt for 3 years. Selling the car on, id much rather buy a car thats been IVA'd than one that hasnt.


So in a nutshell avoiding the IVA is hardly any more cost efficient than actually putting it through it.

[Megaflow]

m4thew said:

EFA said:

You're all wrong I'm afraid. You only need an IVA to register a new kit car (low volume, non-type approved)

Any car using a doner can legitimately use the ID of the donor, provided the V5C record is updated in terms of description etc. All talk of use of unmodified chassis or "points scored" is all bo11ocks. The DVLA will of course not tell you this, neither will anyone who has a business interest in building kit cars or IVA consultancy. The DVLA have a problem with the canyon which exists between their unenforcable policies (INF26) and the law (Road Vehicle Licence and Registration Act).

How else did they ever arrange the amnesty? That never went through the Lords now did it.

Phew, read this just in time. Im glad you posted this as i was just about to follow the goverments procedures regarding this issue but yours clearly over rule them. Thanks.

He is correct though. The IVA is required to get a registration. That car is already registered and as a bonus it passes the DVLA's daft scoring system.

Do not under estimate how easy it is to get around IVA. For example, if you crash your car the chassis can be 'repaired' without the need for IVA. There is a huge grey area surrounding what is a repaired chassis. I know of cars where the only part remaining is the chassis plate...

[Steffan]

m4thew said:

EFA said:

You're all wrong I'm afraid. You only need an IVA to register a new kit car (low volume, non-type approved)

Any car using a doner can legitimately use the ID of the donor, provided the V5C record is updated in terms of description etc. All talk of use of unmodified chassis or "points scored" is all bo11ocks. The DVLA will of course not tell you this, neither will anyone who has a business interest in building kit cars or IVA consultancy. The DVLA have a problem with the canyon which exists between their unenforcable policies (INF26) and the law (Road Vehicle Licence and Registration Act).

How else did they ever arrange the amnesty? That never went through the Lords now did it.

Phew, read this just in time. Im glad you posted this as i was just about to follow the goverments procedures regarding this issue but yours clearly over rule them. Thanks.

I think EFA is right on this.

Experience has taught me that those who earn from legislation interpret the legislation in the widest possible terms. As EFA says if you approach this correctly then it is possible to register cars that have been extensively modified without SVA.

[m4thew]

So in short as long as you use a legitimate donor car for a kit car then you dont need an IVA?

[Dave Dax builder]

EFA.
Have you successfully registered any kit conversions without the need for an IVA test?
If so could you please enlighten us on the correct proceedure to do this, in Layman terms.
I know you have posted on a number of occasions on this subject, but never really got to grips with what you were trying to say in the past.

Then we all might be able to have a choice of which route to go down.