How do you induce oversteer in a FWD with electric handbrake
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If its anything like the B7 none of the above suggestions will work.
In my B7 A4 the ESP was never fully turned off and it would allow only a very minimal amount of yaw angle before the ESP reigned it in.
As a 'drivers' car it was abysmal.
If you want to have fun on a track buy something, anything other than a FWD A4
In my B7 A4 the ESP was never fully turned off and it would allow only a very minimal amount of yaw angle before the ESP reigned it in.
As a 'drivers' car it was abysmal.
If you want to have fun on a track buy something, anything other than a FWD A4
JonathanC said:
mrmr96 said:
^ then go faster.
But then it'll just understeer - won't it? Even in second gear there's barely any engine braking, so how are you supposed to get the weight of the car to lift off the rear wheels?It can be made to work if you modify your car, to put good tyres on the front, crap on the back, and also modify the suspension components/geometry to create more of an oversteer bias.
Alternativly you could use the car as it was intended, and get a track car for on track. Not everything is possible in every car.
I could get my old Vectra sideways, but you had to really throw it about, lots of lifting, a bit of scandanavian flick thrown in too. The trick was to go ALOT faster than seems sane.
My 106's (diesel & Rallye) would both oversteer all day long. The diesel was the easier of the tbh.
with enough courage(read stupidity) anything can go sideways.
My 106's (diesel & Rallye) would both oversteer all day long. The diesel was the easier of the tbh.
with enough courage(read stupidity) anything can go sideways.
CDP said:
Brake really hard into the corner, you'll be leaning so hard on the front wheel that the back will come round.
Alternatively concentrate on being smooth, decent racing lines and seeing how many "faster" cars you can pick off. Instruction helps.
Obviously power sliding isn't the quickest route around a track - just looking for some fun! Obviously these new Audi's rn't meant for this type of stuff. I don't know what the point is of the ESP off button, because the second the wheels begin to spin, the system turns itself on again.Alternatively concentrate on being smooth, decent racing lines and seeing how many "faster" cars you can pick off. Instruction helps.
Buff Mchugelarge said:
I could get my old Vectra sideways, but you had to really throw it about, lots of lifting, a bit of scandanavian flick thrown in too. The trick was to go ALOT faster than seems sane.
My 106's (diesel & Rallye) would both oversteer all day long. The diesel was the easier of the tbh.
with enough courage(read stupidity) anything can go sideways.
http://www.5min.com/Video/How-to-Do-the-Scandinavian-Flick-Turn-2655553 - found this interesting. I wonder how the ESP will react to the flick turn....My 106's (diesel & Rallye) would both oversteer all day long. The diesel was the easier of the tbh.
with enough courage(read stupidity) anything can go sideways.
JonathanC said:
http://www.5min.com/Video/How-to-Do-the-Scandinavi... - found this interesting. I wonder how the ESP will react to the flick turn....
It'll proberly have a spastic and blow up 
I broke the ABS on my Vectra doing J turns
Buff Mchugelarge said:
I could get my old Vectra sideways, but you had to really throw it about, lots of lifting, a bit of scandanavian flick thrown in too. The trick was to go ALOT faster than seems sane.
My Vectra will go sideways just lifting off mid corner provided I'm going fast enough. Fairly controllable even at over 80mph.Mr Gearchange said:
In my B7 A4 the ESP was never fully turned off and it would allow only a very minimal amount of yaw angle before the ESP reigned it in.
All ESP type systems are still constrained by the laws of physics though - you just need enough ham fisted aggression to get past them. Someone once managed to spin out a Seat Cupra in front of me on track without even trying to turn the safety features off, so it can certainly be done...JonathanC said:
Obviously power sliding isn't the quickest route around a track - just looking for some fun!
You can't power slide a FWD car, by definition.If you're going to play about trying to induce oversteer on a trackday be prepared to be black flagged, depending on the track and the organiser and the conditions.
mattdaniels said:
You can't power slide a FWD car, by definition.
If you're going to play about trying to induce oversteer on a trackday be prepared to be black flagged, depending on the track and the organiser and the conditions.
Yep power sliding was the wrong word in the context of fwd's - thanks.If you're going to play about trying to induce oversteer on a trackday be prepared to be black flagged, depending on the track and the organiser and the conditions.
I wouldn't' do this on a track day - I would look like a fool! Neat racing lines are the way to go
DiscoColin said:
All ESP type systems are still constrained by the laws of physics though - you just need enough ham fisted aggression to get past them. Someone once managed to spin out a Seat Cupra in front of me on track
without even trying to turn the safety features off, so it can certainly be done...
Big difference between "inducing oversteer" and completely losing control of your vehicle though. without even trying to turn the safety features off, so it can certainly be done...
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