The 23 year old Indian student shot dead in Manchester.
The 23 year old Indian student shot dead in Manchester.
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Victor McDade

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4,395 posts

213 months

Friday 30th December 2011
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http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/s...

What a fked up world we live in. Someone comes to this country and pays thousands for a University education, yet leaves in a body bag having had his head blasted open.

And for what? Just for ignoring a couple of chavs who asked the group of foreign students what the time was.

The parents must be going through hell - and to make matters worse they first learnt of the killing after reading a facebook wall post!

The police are saying they don't know if its racially motivated but after speaking to the local Salford community, they are sure it was a 'hate crime'. What does this mean?

RIP Mr Bidwe.

mattley

3,039 posts

253 months

Saturday 31st December 2011
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Victor McDade said:
- and to make matters worse they first learnt of the killing after reading a facebook wall post!
I'm not convinced it makes matters worse.

I'm not impressed by the slant the press have put on this, like it's the police's fault, or facebook's. :?

It's not like the nearest copper could just find 'Dad' on the lads phone and call it to say his son was dead. There are quite rightly checks to be made and procedures in place before the police can make that call.

It only takes a few seconds for one of his friends to broadcast the news on FB, and that's how it happens these days.

Victor McDade

Original Poster:

4,395 posts

213 months

Saturday 31st December 2011
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Yes, I don't blame the police. They have to make the proper checks first or we could have a situation where they tell the wrong parent, 'your son has been shot'.

However, I would have thought one of the friends could have made a call or arranged for someone else to make it.

That said, people don't act rationally when in shock and maybe 'making a call' wasn't feasible.




davepoth

29,395 posts

230 months

Saturday 31st December 2011
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mattley said:
I'm not convinced it makes matters worse.

I'm not impressed by the slant the press have put on this, like it's the police's fault, or facebook's. :?

It's not like the nearest copper could just find 'Dad' on the lads phone and call it to say his son was dead. There are quite rightly checks to be made and procedures in place before the police can make that call.

It only takes a few seconds for one of his friends to broadcast the news on FB, and that's how it happens these days.
It was probably on Facebook before the police got there.

The scary thing about this is that this poor guy wasn't the target; someone was going to be shot that evening but the gunman didn't give a st who it was.

Jimbeaux

33,791 posts

262 months

Saturday 31st December 2011
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Manchester? Does that mean Sharia Law kicks in? I am so sorry for the young man and his family. Senseless violence like this diminishes my already withered faith in mankind. I am convinced these type criminals are our own fault somehow. People such as this would not have been tolerated in times past, now, all of a sudden they are all about. No mystery really, it is entitlement and nanny-liberalism. Depressing.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Saturday 31st December 02:17

aryastark

170 posts

180 months

Saturday 31st December 2011
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Jimbeaux said:
Manchester? Does that mean Sharia Law kicks in?
Well if it does, atleast we'll see justice be carried out on these chavs.

TheHeretic

73,668 posts

286 months

Saturday 31st December 2011
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aryastark said:
Jimbeaux said:
Manchester? Does that mean Sharia Law kicks in?
Well if it does, atleast we'll see justice be carried out on these chavs.
I don't think a murder justifies sharia law, I'm afraid. I'll take UK justice over that primitive ste any day, thanking you very much.

ClintonB

5,066 posts

244 months

Saturday 31st December 2011
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TheHeretic said:
aryastark said:
Jimbeaux said:
Manchester? Does that mean Sharia Law kicks in?
Well if it does, atleast we'll see justice be carried out on these chavs.
I don't think a murder justifies sharia law, I'm afraid. I'll take UK justice over that primitive ste any day, thanking you very much.
It might actually be more appropriate in the st hole that is Ordsall - more chance of the somewhat primitive locals having some understanding of what is going on & the concept of consequences.




(You are of course correct, but you wonder what it will take to get through in places like this confused).

mattley

3,039 posts

253 months

Saturday 31st December 2011
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mattley said:
Victor McDade said:
- and to make matters worse they first learnt of the killing after reading a facebook wall post!
I'm not convinced it makes matters worse.
OK I was wrong, it's made matters worse.

GMP have just apologised for not informing the family before they found out on Facebook, WTF??

What can they possibly be apologising for? Not being faster then the speed of fu4in' light???


I'm really pissed off by this frown

carmonk

7,910 posts

218 months

Saturday 31st December 2011
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Haven't they found the scum yet? They seem to have arrested enough people and put up a £50K reward. Everyone in the area will know who's done it, it's like that round there. The police need get all 70s with a select few in a back-room with some metal implements. They'll soon cough.

As for the Facebook, whichever prick posted the news up there should be arrested and chucked in jail. What a total fking moron.

Xeno

304 posts

212 months

Saturday 31st December 2011
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carmonk said:
As for the Facebook, whichever prick posted the news up there should be arrested and chucked in jail. What a total fking moron.
Are you actually being serious? Lol, idiot.

carmonk

7,910 posts

218 months

Saturday 31st December 2011
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Xeno said:
carmonk said:
As for the Facebook, whichever prick posted the news up there should be arrested and chucked in jail. What a total fking moron.
Are you actually being serious? Lol, idiot.
Yes, I'm serious. And please write in English, I'm not one of your jerkoff internet mates.

Xeno

304 posts

212 months

Saturday 31st December 2011
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carmonk said:
Xeno said:
carmonk said:
As for the Facebook, whichever prick posted the news up there should be arrested and chucked in jail. What a total fking moron.
Are you actually being serious? Lol, idiot.
Yes, I'm serious. And please write in English, I'm not one of your jerkoff internet mates.
I think you'll find 'lol' is a legitimate entry in the Oxford English, whereas 'jerkoff' is not. Your swearing is just a sign of a limited vocabulary.

DocJock

8,722 posts

271 months

Saturday 31st December 2011
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Xeno said:
think you'll find 'lol' is a legitimate entry in the Oxford English, and your swearing is a sign of a limited vocabulary.
Asolute tosh. To quote Stephen Fry,

“Swearing is a really important part of one’s life. It would be impossible to imagine going through life without swearing, and without enjoying swearing. There used to be made silly, prissy people who said swearing was a sign of a poor vocabulary. It is such utter nonsense. The people I know who swear the most tend to have the widest vocabularies, and the kind of person who says swearing is a sign of a poor vocabulary, usually have a pretty poor vocabulary themselves. The sort of twee person who thinks swearing is in any way a sign of a lack of education or a lack of verbal interest is just fking lunatic.”

carmonk

7,910 posts

218 months

Saturday 31st December 2011
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DocJock said:
Xeno said:
think you'll find 'lol' is a legitimate entry in the Oxford English, and your swearing is a sign of a limited vocabulary.
Asolute tosh. To quote Stephen Fry,

“Swearing is a really important part of one’s life. It would be impossible to imagine going through life without swearing, and without enjoying swearing. There used to be made silly, prissy people who said swearing was a sign of a poor vocabulary. It is such utter nonsense. The people I know who swear the most tend to have the widest vocabularies, and the kind of person who says swearing is a sign of a poor vocabulary, usually have a pretty poor vocabulary themselves. The sort of twee person who thinks swearing is in any way a sign of a lack of education or a lack of verbal interest is just fking lunatic.”
[thread derail]Stephen Fry provides some fking cracking quotes smile[/thread derail]

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49,533 posts

227 months

Saturday 31st December 2011
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Ah well, if Stephen Fry said it, it must be ok wink

On the whole though I can't see how swearing benefits the wider society. To me it just suggests a lack of manners and a poor upbringing.

Back to the OP - id be quite happy with Hammurabi's Law bein applied.

cheadle hulme

2,502 posts

213 months

Saturday 31st December 2011
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Its the complete randomness of the attack that disturbs me with this one. One tooled up chav, possibly high/pissed and shoots someone in the head for a laugh.

Walking down Regent Road after dark is something only a naive out of towner would do.

I remember the petrol station down there that shut in the end due to all the car jackings. Absolute hell hole.

carmonk

7,910 posts

218 months

Saturday 31st December 2011
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Countdown said:
Ah well, if Stephen Fry said it, it must be ok wink

On the whole though I can't see how swearing benefits the wider society. To me it just suggests a lack of manners and a poor upbringing.

Back to the OP - id be quite happy with Hammurabi's Law bein applied.
I think most people will be happy with British law, being that this is Britain and not ancient Mesopotamia, we just want the scum caught.

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49,533 posts

227 months

Saturday 31st December 2011
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carmonk said:
I think most people will be happy with British law, being that this is Britain and not ancient Mesopotamia, we just want the scum caught.
Me too.

My point was more in reference to the usual mob getting their knickers in a twist about Sharia Law.

wink

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227 months

Saturday 31st December 2011
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cheadle hulme said:
Its the complete randomness of the attack that disturbs me with this one. One tooled up chav, possibly high/pissed and shoots someone in the head for a laugh.

Walking down Regent Road after dark is something only a naive out of towner would do.
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Random but not that surprising really, given Regent Road and its proximity to the Ordsall.