Violent criminals need not go to jail ...
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says Lord Woolf
I'm speechless with fury. Why should our elected representatives not be at least influenced by the public clamour?
Those who profess to "rule" us really are f
d up!
Streaky
The Daily Telegraph said:
Philip Johnston, Home Affairs Editor
Violent offenders should not automatically be jailed but given community sentences, said Lord Woolf, the Lord Chief Justice.
He told MPs that a new body drawing up the first sentencing code should avoid being dominated by a "public clamour" for tougher penalties.
Lord Woolf, the senior judge in England and Wales, also urged parliament to stop ratcheting up sentence levels because more people were being sent unnecessarily to overcrowded prisons.
I'm speechless with fury. Why should our elected representatives not be at least influenced by the public clamour?
Those who profess to "rule" us really are f
d up! Streaky
cliffe_mafia said:But they don't like Durham nick and the inmates are being relocated to somewhere "less oppressive", see: www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=102065&f=10&h=0
Build more prisons - with no Sky TV!
Makes you wonder whether we'll have jails in the future ... if Bliar's lot get elected again
- StreakyThe Daily Telegraph said:
Philip Johnston, Home Affairs Editor
He told MPs that a new body drawing up the first sentencing code should avoid being dominated by a "public clamour" for tougher penalties.
Lord Woolf, the senior judge in England and Wales, also urged parliament to stop ratcheting up sentence levels because more people were being sent unnecessarily to overcrowded prisons.
Unfortunately for us, the only experience that Lord Woolf is likely to have of any sort of serious criminal offence are when they appear before him for sentencing!
He, like many senior politicians are not affected by the real world because they are protected from it!
I wonder if he would have the same benevolent attitude when he is punched hard on the nose for the wallet in his back pocket
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streaky said:
Makes you wonder whether we'll have jails in the future ... if Bliar's lot get elected again
Ach! We will - mein lieber Streaky!
Only -- jails will be full of people who have been copped at 1mph above a posted limit and who refuse to pay up the fine and surrender their licences on principle!
That is why they want to keep the real crims out!
ATG said:
Yeah. Why listen to a senior judge who might have something interesting to say?
....because he is a barmy old codger, well past his sell by date, and I would guess being a Lord and of the great and good, has no insight into what it is like for the less fortunate i.e. you, me and the general public that actually have to put up with and play victim to these violent criminals.
I would like to hear Wolfe's opinion on violent crime after he had been battered on the head to the ground with a metal bar and robbed by two scrotes, like I was when in university trying to make something of myself and contribute something of worth to society.
Violent criminals, moreso than all others, should be put in prison for no more reason than to protect all potential victims from their violence.
WildCat said:Meine suesse Wildkatze, vergaß ich. Wie dumm von mir? (Shouldn't need translation
Makes you wonder whether we'll have jails in the future ... if Bliar's lot get elected again
Ach! We will - mein lieber Streaky!
Only -- jails will be full of people who have been copped at 1mph above a posted limit and who refuse to pay up the fine and surrender their licences on principle!
That is why they want to keep the real crims out!
, but apologies for poor German anyway) - Streakyswilly said:
I would like to hear Wolfe's opinion on violent crime after he had been battered on the head to the ground with a metal bar and robbed by two scrotes, like I was when in university trying to make something of myself and contribute something of worth to society.
You don't have to have been a victim in order to have an informed opinion. In fact, there is every risk it would cloud one's judgement.
Judges spend their lives wading through our society's sewage. The idea that they are out of touch is baloney. They are amongst the very best informed. The virtue of having them in a quasi-political role is that they are _not_ politicians. They usually speak frankly, with conviction and the backing of their experience.
ATG said:
swilly said:
I would like to hear Wolfe's opinion on violent crime after he had been battered on the head to the ground with a metal bar and robbed by two scrotes, like I was when in university trying to make something of myself and contribute something of worth to society.
You don't have to have been a victim in order to have an informed opinion. In fact, there is every risk it would cloud one's judgement.
It happened to me but I never took on the mantle of 'victim'
. Nevertheless the point is it puts the crime into real perspective as opposed to simply an intellectual concept.
Take for instance burglary and breaking and entering, not seen as relatively serious by the police, judiciary and CPS when compared to the time, effort and resource applied to say Traffic crimes, but when it happens to you your world falls apart.
ATG said:
Judges spend their lives wading through our society's sewage. The idea that they are out of touch is baloney. They are amongst the very best informed. The virtue of having them in a quasi-political role is that they are _not_ politicians. They usually speak frankly, with conviction and the backing of their experience.
Judges usually are exactly that, out of touch. Too often a judge will deliberate on sentencing basing his decision on the merits of the case, reports, precedent and his intellectual interpretation of the law, social and political factors etc etc
whilst the scrote who gets a light sentence as a result thinks "got of again luverly".
Judges live in a different world to the general population as does anyone who can segregate themselves by virtue of wealth, power etc
A scrote with 30 convictions for the same type of crime, isnt gonna give a nats nadgers for another dose of community service etc is he.
>> Edited by swilly on Friday 2nd July 14:18
ATG said:Thought you couldn't be a judge if you had convictions
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Judges spend their lives wading through our society's sewage. The idea that they are out of touch is baloney. They are amongst the very best informed. The virtue of having them in a quasi-political role is that they are _not_ politicians. They usually speak frankly, with conviction and the backing of their experience.
- StreakyATG said:
Judges spend their lives wading through our society's sewage. The idea that they are out of touch is baloney. They are amongst the very best informed. The virtue of having them in a quasi-political role is that they are _not_ politicians. They usually speak frankly, with conviction and the backing of their experience.
Liebchen - you are forgetting!
The new guidelines for recruiting judges and magistrates --
-- they no longer need to have or even display common sense - and in the courts a woman is always plural - has to be referred to as "they" and not "she"
But speaking with "conviction and backing of their experience"?
Does that mean they have been inside?
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