Clever but simple new invention from the French
Clever but simple new invention from the French
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bernhund

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3,798 posts

222 months

Sunday 1st January 2012
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I wonder how one of these would affect a Noble? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCVmJGka6s8 Aparently more power from more effecient use of fuel as well as better fuel economy and less CO2. Sounds too good to be true and what a weird video for it.


Mr Sparkle

1,935 posts

199 months

Sunday 1st January 2012
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bernhund said:
I wonder how one of these would affect a Noble? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCVmJGka6s8 Aparently more power from more effecient use of fuel as well as better fuel economy and less CO2. Sounds too good to be true and what a weird video for it.
Are you kidding? No, injecting a few centilitres of water for every 1000 Km of driving is not going to increase you fuel economy/reduce emissions by 50% (as claimed) or even by 1%, it's ballst which is designed to take the money of fools.

If you want to achive a similar effect for free why not just take a piss on your intake filter every few days?

snuffy

13,202 posts

313 months

Sunday 1st January 2012
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http://fuelenhanceruk.webs.com/apps/webstore/produ...

And only £268 for a plastic bottle, a bit of tubing, some jubilee clips and a handful of tie wraps !

CDP

8,040 posts

283 months

Sunday 1st January 2012
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I've got magnet from an old loudspeaker I can sell you for £300. Just place it next to the fuel lines, you just never know...

playalistic

2,270 posts

193 months

Sunday 1st January 2012
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snake oil is the phrase I believe smile

juan king

1,093 posts

218 months

Sunday 1st January 2012
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Drilling into the intake pipe whilst still on the car and not checking if any bits of plastic have gone inside, doesnt seem like a good idea to me!

Craighb

266 posts

196 months

Sunday 1st January 2012
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Off post, but classic forum name Wan, sorry Juan.........made my day!!!

AMG Merc

11,955 posts

282 months

Sunday 1st January 2012
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Well it comes with a reactor so I'm having one pronto wink

daddysumo

2,545 posts

242 months

Sunday 1st January 2012
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Anyone care to sort a group buy ?? rolleyes

bernhund

Original Poster:

3,798 posts

222 months

Sunday 1st January 2012
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Don't think for one minute I was thinking of buying one of these, I was just curious to your reactions and they are pretty much what I expected. Only this was the article I read in the Sevenoaks Chronicle which talks of big money and Deborah Meaden being involved. http://www.thisiskent.co.uk/Duo-mean-business/stor...

I personally can't help thinking the process would've been know for years already and, if any good, would've been built in by manufacturers

Gadgeroonie

5,362 posts

265 months

Sunday 1st January 2012
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it is basically a device to get steam into the intake

on boost the pressure would blow the water back down into the bottle

a really simple copy would be to wrap copper brake pipe round the exhaust and use that to get the water hot - use a plastic bottle to store the water

i guess if it actually works it does so by increasing the atomisation of the fuel

bernhund

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3,798 posts

222 months

Sunday 1st January 2012
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I was always led to believe an engine ran better with cold air, so where does this fit in with that idea?

anotherdom

535 posts

197 months

Sunday 1st January 2012
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An engine produces more power if it is able to burn more fuel. Assuming the AFR remains constant, additional 'air' can be provided by increasing the pressure (scoops, turbos, supercharger etc) or the density, which is where your cold air comes in.

Blu3R

2,380 posts

228 months

Monday 2nd January 2012
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Water is very good at absorbing heat though so the theory is there but it needs to be atomised well which takes pressure. A plastic bottle and some hose won't do a thing and as Gadge says, if it's plumbed in between turbo and manifold, the +ve pressure when building boost will just blow the water back into the bottle.

Stick with Aquamist.

bernhund

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3,798 posts

222 months

Monday 2nd January 2012
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Blu3R said:
Water is very good at absorbing heat though so the theory is there but it needs to be atomised well which takes pressure. A plastic bottle and some hose won't do a thing and as Gadge says, if it's plumbed in between turbo and manifold, the +ve pressure when building boost will just blow the water back into the bottle.

Stick with Aquamist.
Fascinating stuff, I've just looked through the website. I suppose the same principle (which has been around for 50 years!) is there but SO MUCH more advanced than a plastic bottle, some hose and the MAGIC 'reactor'. Still, I had no idea you could put water through in any form.

Blu3R

2,380 posts

228 months

Monday 2nd January 2012
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bernhund said:
Fascinating stuff, I've just looked through the website. I suppose the same principle (which has been around for 50 years!) is there but SO MUCH more advanced than a plastic bottle, some hose and the MAGIC 'reactor'. Still, I had no idea you could put water through in any form.
I was very surprised at how much an engine consumes when it's raining (although I can't remember where I read that now!)

Gadgeroonie

5,362 posts

265 months

Monday 2nd January 2012
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this is an effective use of water in an engine

a 6 stroke engine !

http://www.damninteresting.com/the-six-stroke-engi...

it injects water after the combustion cycle and uses it to produce steam !



CDP

8,040 posts

283 months

Monday 2nd January 2012
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Gadgeroonie said:
this is an effective use of water in an engine

a 6 stroke engine !

http://www.damninteresting.com/the-six-stroke-engi...

it injects water after the combustion cycle and uses it to produce steam !
That looks like a potentially good idea, I wonder how effective it really is? Presumably the big difficulty is in keeping the combustion chamber temperature under control but a computer controlled system may well do this better than a conventional water jacket. I guess the other issue will be down to corrosion but there's a good 300 years of experience with steam engines to draw on.

With regards to the infrastructure for the water, I'm sure the oil companies wouldn't object to selling it laced with a little alcohol. Much, much easier than hydrogen...

bernhund

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3,798 posts

222 months

Monday 2nd January 2012
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Gadgeroonie said:
this is an effective use of water in an engine

a 6 stroke engine !

http://www.damninteresting.com/the-six-stroke-engi...

it injects water after the combustion cycle and uses it to produce steam !
That's genius! Heat or overheating always seems to be a problem and terrific waste of energy, so making positive use of it is a really smart move.

R0162

2,435 posts

193 months

Monday 2nd January 2012
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I suppose it could work if they can recapture the steam with a condensor and recirculate it back into the engine tank, otherwise it would be saving petrol at the expense of using water, imagine the worldwide water useage with a system like this, they would need to fit the car with a cooling tower and desalinization plant for it to be economically and environmentally viable.