Air Cooled Turbo - Which do you prefer ?

[mph]

While doing my usual browse through the dealers I came across these two turbos for sale at Gmund.

One is a 930 the other a 964 3.3.

What caught my attention is that they are almost identical mileage and very close on price. They're even similar colours.

So - if you were in the market for a pre-993 turbo which would it be - and why ?

http://www.gmundcars.com/cars/870/964turbo33.html

http://www.gmundcars.com/cars/864/930turbo.html

[turbo964]

Personally I prefer the look and feel of the 964. Its the perfect mix between old school but with just enough modern tweaks (Power steering and Air con) to make it a doable daily driver.

I know a lot will say the air con is crap. Sure its not up to a modern day car but providing its been overhauled it still blows nice and cold.

I also prefer the looks of the 964 (reckon its unbeatable with speedlines and lower suspension)

Each to their own.

Edited by turbo964 on Thursday 5th January 21:38

[marky911]

+1

For me the 964T is perfect, it feels classic but modern with it, whereas a 930 feels classic but old with it.

I would say the 930 is slightly nicer looking though, especially compared to a standard 3.3 964 on cups and high front suspension. The 3.6 on speedlines is a different story though and just about as perfect as a 930. Fuchs wheels are iconic mind and the 930 is the poster car I grew up with. In fact I've still got the picture of it with a Countach and 328 Ferrari accompanying it.

The 964 screams classic Porsche but not ancient Porsche and can still be driven like a modern car, hence my favourite. All imho.

[Bill Stein]

The power and the glory that is the 930.....cant be beaten for me, but maybe i am biased!

[mollytherocker]

Easy.

Mint green 964 Turbo 3.6. Oh yes.

MTR

[Rocco1]

964 all the way

Edited by Rocco1 on Thursday 5th January 20:28

[kusee pee]

I've been lucky enough to own examples of both and they are very different cars. Both are epic. The 930 is no doubt more scary and harder work to drive but the flipside of this is that it is a huge rush when it all comes together on the right road. The 964 is considerably more civilised but still offers a big rush. The big point for me was that I drove my 964T every day but ended up driving the 930 much less often. Given the choice now I'd go back to the 964T because it would get much more use but I wouldn't have passed on the 930 ownership for anything.

[Bill Stein]

That looks lovely even with the motor in. I am very biased!

[golfer99]

964 T On my second one and Iconic looks with great power output but I am biased

Edited by golfer99 on Thursday 5th January 20:51

[Rocco1]

mph said:

While doing my usual browse through the dealers I came across these two turbos for sale at Gmund.

One is a 930 the other a 964 3.3.

What caught my attention is that they are almost identical mileage and very close on price. They're even similar colours.

So - if you were in the market for a pre-993 turbo which would it be - and why ?

http://www.gmundcars.com/cars/870/964turbo33.html

http://www.gmundcars.com/cars/864/930turbo.html

didnt realize these are making this kind money

[golfer99]

Low mileage cars few and far between now ! Most of the low milers have been shipped to the Far East

[Npporsche]

Both look good, would rather the 964t.
But for a few more thousand you can have a 993tt.
Got mine this year and after a 3.2 and 993 c2 will never look back.

[Rocco1]

golfer99 said:

Low mileage cars few and far between now ! Most of the low milers have been shipped to the Far East

My white 964 3.3t went to HK but kept the red 964 3.3t 24000 miles and one former keeper,so it might be worth a few quid more now!

[turbo964]

Rocco1 said:

didnt realize these are making this kind money

Not having a dig at you mate, but your referring to the 930 right as you all told us your red one was around the £50k mark or are you meaning you thought they were still worth a lot more?

Edited by turbo964 on Thursday 5th January 21:48

[Rocco1]

turbo964 said:

Not having a dig at you mate, but your referring to the 930 right as you all told us your red one was around the £50k mark or are you meaning you thought they were still worth a lot more?

Edited by turbo964 on Thursday 5th January 21:48

Didnt realise the 930t was making £45k
The red one i have kept was offered to me for £55k 18 months ago

[graemel]

The 964 wins on a better heating ventilation system. Power assisted anti lock brakes. Power steering. But I prefer the purer more mechanical drive of the 930. You are just more involved with the whole 911 thing. If that means hard work, well yes that's why I love it. Looks wise the 930 just looks right. Even against a 964 3.6 on speedlines. They were never designed to carry 18" wheels with low profile tyres. Fuchs for me

[Rocco1]

graemel said:

The 964 wins on a better heating ventilation system. Power assisted anti lock brakes. Power steering. But I prefer the purer more mechanical drive of the 930. You are just more involved with the whole 911 thing. If that means hard work, well yes that's why I love it. Looks wise the 930 just looks right. Even against a 964 3.6 on speedlines. They were never designed to carry 18" wheels with low profile tyres. Fuchs for me

And theres me with 19" BBS LM's

[graemel]

Rocco1 said:

graemel said:

The 964 wins on a better heating ventilation system. Power assisted anti lock brakes. Power steering. But I prefer the purer more mechanical drive of the 930. You are just more involved with the whole 911 thing. If that means hard work, well yes that's why I love it. Looks wise the 930 just looks right. Even against a 964 3.6 on speedlines. They were never designed to carry 18" wheels with low profile tyres. Fuchs for me

And theres me with 19" BBS LM's

Having owned a 964 3.6 they drive much better on 17" wheels. I ran a set years ago whilst refurbing my speedlines. Your Diablo SV is a similar animal in many ways. I prefered the non assisted steering of the 1993 Diablo and the smaller gear shift gate. But in the supercar league a Diablo SV is hard work. But who wants easy. The fun is if you get it wrong it will bite you in your arse. If you want easy get an Xbox. My mate that we bought the 99 car from struggled with this concept. He had a 2003 Murci at the same time. The Murci just felt that much more predictable with its 4WD so he let the 99 go. He ain't no fairy either. Incredible motorcycle skills that I do not own, ever. Give me four wheels any day

[Mike Holmes]

930 for me

[911Thrasher]

964turbo 3.6 or 3.3 w/ Speedlines on.

Whichever rocks your boat: one will prob feel more raw while the second one more modern.