911 SC/911 3.2 advice please

[Waitey]

Evening Gents,

I'm looking for a bit of 80's porker in my life.

Are there any good buying guides online? I know the basics of front end corrosion and leaky boxes and blocks.

There is a nice targa at Malton Specialist cars down the road from me but I don't want to waste Marks time as I'm ideally after a spoiler less coupe.

Is there anyone in the East Yorkshire area that could give a walk round of theirs?

Thanks

[cragswinter]

Way too much to go into in a post here, but I'm always available to talk old pork

I'm based in Cumbria do not exactly in your doorstep but if you're up this way before the end of the month I'll have what I consider to be the best SC in the uk in the garage

www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&t=10...

There's a fair bit of advice in my thread in readers cars linked above, but if you want a chat just pm me

[NorthEast]

Waitey said:

Evening Gents,

I'm looking for a bit of 80's porker in my life.

Are there any good buying guides online? I know the basics of front end corrosion and leaky boxes and blocks.

There is a nice targa at Malton Specialist cars down the road from me but I don't want to waste Marks time as I'm ideally after a spoiler less coupe.

Is there anyone in the East Yorkshire area that could give a walk round of theirs?

Thanks

Have a look at Impactbumpers.com

[Wozy68]

Waitey said:

Evening Gents,

There is a nice targa at Malton Specialist cars down the road from me but I don't want to waste Marks time as I'm ideally after a spoiler less coupe.

The way it seems to be going at Malton, hold out for that Targa ...... it seems some of their cars are now 50% less than they were up for a year ago.

Bargain deals, or just an inflated price to begin with?

[xftdr]

Waitey said:

Evening Gents,

I'm looking for a bit of 80's porker in my life.

Are there any good buying guides online? I know the basics of front end corrosion and leaky boxes and blocks.

There is a nice targa at Malton Specialist cars down the road from me but I don't want to waste Marks time as I'm ideally after a spoiler less coupe.

Is there anyone in the East Yorkshire area that could give a walk round of theirs?

Thanks

Very goo buyers guide available to back order from Porsche 911 World. Hartech also have some buying guides on line if I recall. I have had both 3.2 and SC. FWIW the two are pretty much identical in every respect (save a few extra bhp in the 3.2) until the 1985 model when the G50 gearbox came in to replace the 915 in SCs and early 3.2s. That is a major difference and one that I appreciated when I changed cars.

Long way from you but this one is about a mile from me and I have seen it in the flesh - very tidy little car indeed and well sorted.

http://www.motoringlegends.co.uk/stock28.htm

[xftdr]

Waitey said:

Evening Gents,

I'm looking for a bit of 80's porker in my life.

Are there any good buying guides online? I know the basics of front end corrosion and leaky boxes and blocks.

There is a nice targa at Malton Specialist cars down the road from me but I don't want to waste Marks time as I'm ideally after a spoiler less coupe.

Is there anyone in the East Yorkshire area that could give a walk round of theirs?

Thanks

Very goo buyers guide available to back order from Porsche 911 World. Hartech also have some buying guides on line if I recall. I have had both 3.2 and SC. FWIW the two are pretty much identical in every respect (save a few extra bhp in the 3.2) until the 1985 model when the G50 gearbox came in to replace the 915 in SCs and early 3.2s. That is a major difference and one that I appreciated when I changed cars.

Long way from you but this one is about a mile from me and I have seen it in the flesh - very tidy little car indeed and well sorted.

http://www.motoringlegends.co.uk/stock28.htm

[supersport]

You can mail me through my profile. I am the Regional organisor for Yorkshire and am based in York. Always happy to chat aircooled, been an owner for 7 years and just had mine restored so can point out the interesting areas.

Also check out Adrian Crawfords website, he has a very good buyers guide.

[MrCooke]

x said:

FWIW the two are pretty much identical in every respect (save a few extra bhp in the 3.2) until the 1985 model when the G50 gearbox came in to replace the 915 in SCs and early 3.2s. That is a major difference and one that I appreciated when I changed cars
http://www.motoringlegends.co.uk/stock28.htm

I disagree.

The SC and 3.2 feel very different to drive, especially an early SC on 15s.

I prefer the lightness and zingy ness of an SC to the torquey relaxed comfort of a 3.2, especially a lardy G50 car (which arrived for the 1986 model year, not 1985).

Try both, but they ain't the same.

[mph]

Waitey said:

Evening Gents,

I'm looking for a bit of 80's porker in my life.

Are there any good buying guides online? I know the basics of front end corrosion and leaky boxes and blocks.

There is a nice targa at Malton Specialist cars down the road from me but I don't want to waste Marks time as I'm ideally after a spoiler less coupe.

Is there anyone in the East Yorkshire area that could give a walk round of theirs?

Thanks

They've got a spoilerless coupe coming in according to the website. I think they had the car in before quite recently.

If it's the same car it was sold by Gmund a year or so back.

[anonymous-user]

MrCooke said:

I disagree.

The SC and 3.2 feel very different to drive, especially an early SC on 15s.

I prefer the lightness and zingy ness of an SC to the torquey relaxed comfort of a 3.2, especially a lardy G50 car (which arrived for the 1986 model year, not 1985).

Try both, but they ain't the same.

There's so much variation from specific car to car (they are all 20-30 years old) that the differences when new are hardly relevant today. The G50 gearbox is a notable change for the better on later 3.2s, but otherwise there isn't a lot of difference. I do slightly prefer the 3.0 SC engines too, but again so much variation from lump to lump. I'd consider any SC or C3.2 in excellent condition. The C3.2 is easier to find out in the marketplace, but the SC is better value for money if you can find one that isn't a shed (the vast majority of SCs have been neglected over the years as a bargain basement 911).

Regarding spoilers, they are easy to remove (just buy a spare engine lid) so I wouldn't limit your choice to non-spoilered cars - there are enough dogs as it is and the vast majority of these cars will have rear wings fitted. From a driving perspective, they are pretty unstable at high speed without the rear wing and you will notice it when pushing on a bit. Unlike many go-faster bits, these were purely functional items, not just for show.

[MrCooke]

uktrailmonster said:

There's so much variation from specific car to car (they are all 20-30 years old) that the differences when new are hardly relevant today. The G50 gearbox is a notable change for the better on later 3.2s, but otherwise there isn't a lot of difference. I do slightly prefer the 3.0 SC engines too, but again so much variation from lump to lump. I'd consider any SC or C3.2 in excellent condition. The C3.2 is easier to find out in the marketplace, but the SC is better value for money if you can find one that isn't a shed (the vast majority of SCs have been neglected over the years as a bargain basement 911).

Regarding spoilers, they are easy to remove (just buy a spare engine lid) so I wouldn't limit your choice to non-spoilered cars - there are enough dogs as it is and the vast majority of these cars will have rear wings fitted. From a driving perspective, they are pretty unstable at high speed without the rear wing and you will notice it when pushing on a bit. Unlike many go-faster bits, these were purely functional items, not just for show.

I hate to be Captain Disagree again but I prefer a good 915 to the G50. The 915 shift is more mechanical, more feelsome and less rubbery. The G50 is faster and the box will last twice as long but I think it's at the expense of the mechanical interaction of the 915. A bit like power steering is quicker and easier to use but robs feel.

The rear spoiler can be unbolted, the holes welded up and the lid painted for £200 - £300, you then just need a grill.

I agree that the spoiler gives better stability at speed, but I don't find it really noticeable until you're the wrong side of 130mph.

[anonymous-user]

MrCooke said:

I hate to be Captain Disagree again but I prefer a good 915 to the G50. The 915 shift is more mechanical, more feelsome and less rubbery. The G50 is faster and the box will last twice as long but I think it's at the expense of the mechanical interaction of the 915. A bit like power steering is quicker and easier to use but robs feel.

The rear spoiler can be unbolted, the holes welded up and the lid painted for £200 - £300, you then just need a grill.

I agree that the spoiler gives better stability at speed, but I don't find it really noticeable until you're the wrong side of 130mph.

Seems like the 915 box has a strong, almost cult, following. But personally I find it quite irritating. I've owned 3 cars with the 915 box, all in top condition (for example one freshly rebuilt by Autofarm) and they were all similarly shoite. They are rewarding in the sense that if you can change gear consistently well for a whole drive then you feel like you've genuinely achieved something. But really they are just agricultural and slow compared to later boxes. I found the G50 in my 964 was a big step forward in shifting precision and speed. It's something you definitely have to test before buying one of these cars. I let my mate have a go in my SC last year (he's an experienced F1 race engineer and handy club level racer) and he just found the whole thing totally alien. The shocked look on his face just said it all. But like all things, you do get used to it. I've been driving 911s since the mid 90s so I know what to expect. The 915 gearbox is definitely an acquired taste.

For me the rear feels too light when cornering at say 60+ mph without the rear wing. With the wing it feels far more planted and stable. I notice it on the motorway too, but obviously less of an issue there. It certainly wasn't fitted by Porsche for fun, in fact they did their best to hide it on later cars with pop-up wings. Just something to bear in mind if you are planning to actually push it a bit in the handling dept. Otherwise they certainly look prettier without.

[Catpee]

I too owned a 1984 3.2 with 915 gearbox.

Yes it was agricultural, but I loved it, even though syncho on 1st gear was on it's way out .... Huge character.

My '89 964 C4 with G50 was a very different beast, but equally brilliant in it's way. The gearchange was slick, snick snick, short throw, incredible quality feel. The motto of this story is, they are all great cars, just different.

In response to the OPs question - if you need to ask about rust, then get it inspected. The cost of the inspection will repay itself very quickly.

They go around wings, sills, kidney bowls (invisible to a casual viewer, but vital), floor pan, b posts, the list is endless, and the cost of a resto can quickly exceed the value of the car.