996 tiptronic cat c value
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nickson said:
what sort of money would you be putting on a 2002 turbo tiptronic in blue, grey leather interior.
24k miles with cat c write off repaired.
limited or no history
thanks
nick
limited or no history would be a huge concern, even if the repairs were perfect.24k miles with cat c write off repaired.
limited or no history
thanks
nick
Were the repairs carried out by an OPC or a recognised Indy? If neither, how can anyone be sure its not a death trap?
i wouldn't use douglas valley as my compass though! how much would it be worth undamaged? cat d usually knocks off a minimum of 25%, i'd put cat c at knocking more obviously.
i've got to be honest unless i had a body shop or knew someone who did i wouldn't go near, i viewed a damaged repaired gt3 that looked ok to me, but my paint depth reader told otherwise & when my mate who used to (many moons ago) own a body shop looked at it we found evidence of two other accidents not previously mentione.
repairing damaged cars is an art form, & unless done with true skill it'll never be right
i've got to be honest unless i had a body shop or knew someone who did i wouldn't go near, i viewed a damaged repaired gt3 that looked ok to me, but my paint depth reader told otherwise & when my mate who used to (many moons ago) own a body shop looked at it we found evidence of two other accidents not previously mentione.
repairing damaged cars is an art form, & unless done with true skill it'll never be right
in most cases when a car is bought after written off all the history gets lost, especially if your buying from a salvage yard. i say limited or no history as although the car has no history atm, im told the dealer that looked after the car has been contacted and they have confirmed they can supply information on all history/work carried out by themselves.
the damage is mainly cosmetic, no chance of it being a death trap, just needed new front wing, rear 1/4 panel repair and front lower wishbone and wheel plus a few other bolt on parts such as bumpers,lights etc. there are pics of the car when damaged.
people are so scared of cat c or d write offs, when there usually isnt much to worry about, cars can be written off easily because of the price of repairs to such expensive machinery. for a car u can buy now for 25k, it doesnt take much to create a huge bill for a porsche opc repair which consists of new front headlights, bumper, front wing, wishbone, wheel, tyre, rear 1/4 panel repair, rear bumper, light, then paintwork etc. they write it off because its expensive to repair, not because its a deathtrap.
the damage is mainly cosmetic, no chance of it being a death trap, just needed new front wing, rear 1/4 panel repair and front lower wishbone and wheel plus a few other bolt on parts such as bumpers,lights etc. there are pics of the car when damaged.
people are so scared of cat c or d write offs, when there usually isnt much to worry about, cars can be written off easily because of the price of repairs to such expensive machinery. for a car u can buy now for 25k, it doesnt take much to create a huge bill for a porsche opc repair which consists of new front headlights, bumper, front wing, wishbone, wheel, tyre, rear 1/4 panel repair, rear bumper, light, then paintwork etc. they write it off because its expensive to repair, not because its a deathtrap.
well looking at similar cars your looking at 25-30k value without damage, say the cat c knocks 35% off the price then that puts it about £16-19500. i really dont understand why it devalues the car so much, as long as u can show the damage to the car before repairs, and the repairs are to a decent standard then whats the problem.
as said, the car needed a new wheel,wishbone and track rod end, front and rear bumper, front and rear lights, rear 1/4 panel dent repair, and an intercooler needed replacing, maybe a few others small bits and bobs.
all these parts are just bolt on bits! anyone with a set of spanners could repair the car to the same std a porsche opc would! pull a dent out on the rear 1/4, and get it painted, and the car is 99% good as new. maybe not perfect, but certainly worth a saving of £10k over the same model without the repairs!
as said, the car needed a new wheel,wishbone and track rod end, front and rear bumper, front and rear lights, rear 1/4 panel dent repair, and an intercooler needed replacing, maybe a few others small bits and bobs.
all these parts are just bolt on bits! anyone with a set of spanners could repair the car to the same std a porsche opc would! pull a dent out on the rear 1/4, and get it painted, and the car is 99% good as new. maybe not perfect, but certainly worth a saving of £10k over the same model without the repairs!
if an insurer has inspected the vehicle and deemed it a cat d writeoff then it is deemed to be perfectly repairable and safe to put back on the road. that car looks worse than it is because it has a load of mangled metal hanging off it. once all the damaged wing, rear bumper etc has been removed its just damaged bodywork, a case of bolting new bits back on the car lol.and a new rear 1/4 panel fitted. yes its suffered some damage to the front and rear wheel/suspension. a case of buying new suspension components and bolting them on. the body can be put on a jig to check for any suspension mounts pulled out of true, and the body can be jigged back true if it has suffered any damage to suspension mounting points.
if it had suffered irreparable damage to the chassis/suspension mounts etc, then the inspector would have deemed it a cat a or b where the car cannot be used again. a cat d on many cars can be something as silly as it needing a new front bumper on lower value cars.
i agree you certainly need to be wary of repaired write offs, but as long as you can see the parts that have been replaced and the quality of the repairs, then why should you worry about the fact it has had a bump in the past.
the cars you need to be wary of, are the unrecorded damaged cars that get put back on the road without anyone knowing the car has been crashed, lots of trackday cars can be smashed and then put back on the road at full price, without the buyer realising its ever been crashed.
at least with a write off vehicle, you know its been crashed, u can inspect the car and the repairs, and make your choice as to weather you think it has been repaired well. and save yourself a large amount of money over a similar car without a write off.
i wouldnt have a problem buying that white 911 above if it meant it saved me £20k over an uncrashed model. as its been written off as a cat d, that itself says the car isnt seriously damaged, even if it looks bad in the pics.
yes if you earn enough money to buy the best possible vehicle you can, then why would you bother with the written off cars, but for people trying to achieve owning there dream vehicle on a budget, cat cars can show a serious bargain if your willing to have a car without a perfect history.
a car can even have a cat recording from something such as vandalism, where someone has poured paint stripper over a car meaning it needs a 10k porsche opc paint job! this car may have a cat d against it, but if you can have a bodyshop do a respray for £2500 and the car is £15k cheaper than the same car without the cat d, you can save yourself £12500 because a car needed a respray!!
if it had suffered irreparable damage to the chassis/suspension mounts etc, then the inspector would have deemed it a cat a or b where the car cannot be used again. a cat d on many cars can be something as silly as it needing a new front bumper on lower value cars.
i agree you certainly need to be wary of repaired write offs, but as long as you can see the parts that have been replaced and the quality of the repairs, then why should you worry about the fact it has had a bump in the past.
the cars you need to be wary of, are the unrecorded damaged cars that get put back on the road without anyone knowing the car has been crashed, lots of trackday cars can be smashed and then put back on the road at full price, without the buyer realising its ever been crashed.
at least with a write off vehicle, you know its been crashed, u can inspect the car and the repairs, and make your choice as to weather you think it has been repaired well. and save yourself a large amount of money over a similar car without a write off.
i wouldnt have a problem buying that white 911 above if it meant it saved me £20k over an uncrashed model. as its been written off as a cat d, that itself says the car isnt seriously damaged, even if it looks bad in the pics.
yes if you earn enough money to buy the best possible vehicle you can, then why would you bother with the written off cars, but for people trying to achieve owning there dream vehicle on a budget, cat cars can show a serious bargain if your willing to have a car without a perfect history.
a car can even have a cat recording from something such as vandalism, where someone has poured paint stripper over a car meaning it needs a 10k porsche opc paint job! this car may have a cat d against it, but if you can have a bodyshop do a respray for £2500 and the car is £15k cheaper than the same car without the cat d, you can save yourself £12500 because a car needed a respray!!
It did to me too, but the "limited or no history" bit confused me.
I'd not be put off a CAT D car, perhaps not even a CAT C car, but I'd want to see pics before, after and (if at all possible) talk to the person who stacked it and the person who fixed it. I can imagine there being cars that are not CAT C/D and were worse off than the ones that are on the register. All it takes is a car of sufficient value for the insurers to fix it is my understanding.
I'd not be put off a CAT D car, perhaps not even a CAT C car, but I'd want to see pics before, after and (if at all possible) talk to the person who stacked it and the person who fixed it. I can imagine there being cars that are not CAT C/D and were worse off than the ones that are on the register. All it takes is a car of sufficient value for the insurers to fix it is my understanding.
lol, i was looking at the car to possibly purchase, but if the resale value is so low in the future, and you have spent money servicing, maintaing, upgrading etc, it stands to possibly be a waste of time. and your better off buying a decent example.
i was trying to get an idea of the value of the car as a repaired car. the car is currently not repaired and needs the rear 1/4 repair, a sill repair, then bolting all the new bits to the car, mot it and vic check it.
i wanted to know of peoples opinions on it once repaired so i could use this as a bargaining tool with the seller, who wants around £14k for the car as it is.
if it was a case of being able to pick the car up for £10k, do the repairs and get the car to a nice standard, use it for a couple of years, and then sell for £18k, then it would be a seriously good bit of free 911 turbo motoring, and you may even turn a small profit when u sell.
if its only worth 10K as a repaired car, then its a waste of time and effort and i may aswell go and buy a decent example for £20k and be done with it.
i was trying to get an idea of the value of the car as a repaired car. the car is currently not repaired and needs the rear 1/4 repair, a sill repair, then bolting all the new bits to the car, mot it and vic check it.
i wanted to know of peoples opinions on it once repaired so i could use this as a bargaining tool with the seller, who wants around £14k for the car as it is.
if it was a case of being able to pick the car up for £10k, do the repairs and get the car to a nice standard, use it for a couple of years, and then sell for £18k, then it would be a seriously good bit of free 911 turbo motoring, and you may even turn a small profit when u sell.
if its only worth 10K as a repaired car, then its a waste of time and effort and i may aswell go and buy a decent example for £20k and be done with it.
the damage to the car really is superficial, and the seller has already done the hardwork and sourced all the parts needed to repair. its literally a case of bolting on a new front wing and the bumpers etc. pull out the very slight rear 1/4 dent, get a respray from a friend who will do me a very cheap deal, and i would 100% confident in the fact the car is totally safe due to the very limited damage to the car, and the fact it was written off due to the fact of the cost of parts for the repair. it looks to me like a bargain. a 25k car that could be had for around £14k just because it has had a very minimal cosmetic repair. i would be very happy with a saving of over £10k because the car has had a few new panels.
remember this car has only 24k miles, so mechanically i would hope it as pretty sound!
obviously its a risk like anything, but even if it turned out to be trouble, you could break the car and make good money. surely a 3.6 turbo engine is worth a few quid on its own!
remember this car has only 24k miles, so mechanically i would hope it as pretty sound!
obviously its a risk like anything, but even if it turned out to be trouble, you could break the car and make good money. surely a 3.6 turbo engine is worth a few quid on its own!
It is impossible to put a value on a damaged repaired car. It has to be much, much cheaper than a similar, straight car. As previously stated, tracking down the history can be difficult, which of course will also affect the value.
If you arent in the trade and are thinking of buying the car yourself, then forget it. Parts will be expensive and you cant just use a back street body shop to repair a Porsche. It will cost much more to repair than you think, don't listen to the seller, he is trying to off load it. Avoid DVB like the plague.
If you arent in the trade and are thinking of buying the car yourself, then forget it. Parts will be expensive and you cant just use a back street body shop to repair a Porsche. It will cost much more to repair than you think, don't listen to the seller, he is trying to off load it. Avoid DVB like the plague.
Is this the one - you'll know in just over 5 days time
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2002-PORSCHE-911-996-TUR...
Id guess if good 26-28k private
- 35% = 17,500 (withing history) - in theory
so 10-12k is about right depending on how cheap you think you can get the parts labour for
There 2, although not turbos never seem to sell
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2003-PORSCHE-911-CARRERA...
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&am...
- id be reluctant to buy it at 15k repaired if not repaired by a very reputable body shop - but then again I cant buy a uncrashed one at 24K - so take my opinion with a pink of salt
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2002-PORSCHE-911-996-TUR...
Id guess if good 26-28k private
- 35% = 17,500 (withing history) - in theory
so 10-12k is about right depending on how cheap you think you can get the parts labour for
There 2, although not turbos never seem to sell
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2003-PORSCHE-911-CARRERA...
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&am...
- id be reluctant to buy it at 15k repaired if not repaired by a very reputable body shop - but then again I cant buy a uncrashed one at 24K - so take my opinion with a pink of salt
I agree with Thom987 - if it was that easy the previous owner or the breaker would be doing it themselves and pocketing the increase in value. Even *good* cars can be money pits, so I'd want to be completely certain that a CAT X car was going to work out. And by the time you're certain you're probably looking at a car that someone's bought out from under you. Everything's a punt in some way, eh?
Nickson I'm not sure if it's us or yourself you're trying to convince? But if it's us I'd say you're on a hiding to nothing 
If you're wanting a risky buy that may have a better chance of paying off I'd direct you to the thread further down the thread about Porsches at auctions.
you pays you're money....
If you're wanting a risky buy that may have a better chance of paying off I'd direct you to the thread further down the thread about Porsches at auctions.
you pays you're money....
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