Asian Animal Cruelty

[jenkotvr]

The initial message was deleted from this topic on 09 October 2012 at 10:15

[Jasandjules]

Do not buy anything made in China if you can possibly avoid it. Write to the embassy and tell them that's what you are doing. Get as many of your friends and family to do the same. Boycott companies who use products made in China and tell them why.

That's the only way IMHO. Money.

[jaybirduk]

Jasandjules said:

Do not buy anything made in China

I'd go as far to say that's impossible! Do you own a tv? Mobile phone? Computer? Any plastic wares?

[XJSJohn]

Life is very cheap in a lot of asian countries, not just animals, humans too .... They are just wired different, you can keep telling them that it is inhumane but they just do not see it that way unfortunately!

Mind you i guess that is why i now have 3 rescue dogs destroying my house and garden!

[Munter]

XJSJohn said:

Life is very cheap in a lot of asian countries, not just animals, humans too .... They are just wired different, you can keep telling them that it is inhumane but they just do not see it that way unfortunately!

It's their culture. To them, we sound like the Fruitarians who only eat fruit that has already fallen so as not the harm or kill the plant.

[XJSJohn]

Munter said:

XJSJohn said:

Life is very cheap in a lot of asian countries, not just animals, humans too .... They are just wired different, you can keep telling them that it is inhumane but they just do not see it that way unfortunately!

It's their culture. To them, we sound like the Fruitarians who only eat fruit that has already fallen so as not the harm or kill the plant.

- try ordering the vege option in a local restaurant - will still have meat or fish gravy on top - "what else would you eat it with "

edit - not to take off track, but sadly you can petition them till you are blue in the face, they just don't get it. speaking as someone who has lived in asia for years, and gets teh "he's barmy" look from many locals when i take in strays!

[Jasandjules]

jaybirduk said:

I'd go as far to say that's impossible! Do you own a tv? Mobile phone? Computer? Any plastic wares?

It is impossible, but we do it where possible. Take a fair bit of time to look into companies etc and it really is a challenge..

[jenkotvr]

Putting dogs in a room and beating them to death one by one while laughing and joking IS NOT CULTURE FFS! The scum even stopped to take a picture of the last one remaining looking at all the dead around him!!!

They are total scum and I agree Petitioning will do jack, I just wish I had the power to teach them all a lesson.

XJSJOHN: I'm sorry fella but you could give me all the money on the planet and you wouldn't get me living over there.

An article written by PETA showed how they joked about while dislocating a dogs shoulder, putting a metal muzle on so he cant help himself and tied its back legs....WHY?

As above its virtually impossible to boycott chinese products

[Munter]

jenkotvr said:

Putting dogs in a room and beating them to death one by one while laughing and joking IS NOT CULTURE

So you're saying they are genetically predisposed to animal cruelty?

Because either they are absorbing it from their culture, or it's pre programmed in to them.

You wouldn't be upset if I stood in a room and massacred a rubarb plant for fun. You might think me a bit odd. But I presume you'd have no objection. However there are people who would consider me no better then the people beating and killing animals.

Is it their culture or their genetics that make them better than us?

And no I'm not supporting what is happening to the animals. It's horrifying. But I'm trying to get you to see the difference between what you are and how you could be just based on your culture. Because it is their culture and not their genetics that makes/allows them to do this.

[fido]

Sorry, i've never read such stereotypical/racist bks before - except on the odd occassion when Morrissey or some other psuedo-fasc8st-bigot says something.

I have read enough stories in my local rag about animal cruelty so to say it is a trait of a particular race or culture means you are clearly ignorant or just a bigot. Next time someone sets a group of pitbulls on a cat, kicks an animal to death, keeps a dozen malnourished animals in their pigsty of a home, or cooks their pet in the microwave - please remind me of their race or culture (if they even have one).

[Cyder]

Wait. Are you saying animal cruelty is as common in this country as in China/South East Asia?

You've never been there have you?

[fido]

Cyder said:

Wait. Are you saying animal cruelty is as common in this country as in China/South East Asia?

So it's okay here because it's less prevalent?

Well actually my parents are from there but i've lived both here and there.
I'm not disputing it is more prevalent (and it most definitely is) but there are plenty of animal welfare workers who care for animals in 'Asia' and people on 'Asian' forums discussing their pets as we speak, and i don't think they'll be too pleased about being labelled in the above fashion.

As an analogy - teenage pregnancies, child abuse and other social issues are more prevalent here but i don't think you'll find stories in the Singapore Daily about 'British {insert} Cruelty' , 'US Soldiers propensity to urinate on their enemy combatants' or 'South Asians propensity to die in traffic accidents' - though for the record i've heard equal stupid stereotypes from my relatives there, which no doubt you would find offensive .. and which i also waste my time challenging.

Every country has 'issues' and i don't think labelling an entire race or country will help towards fixing the problem.

Edited by fido on Friday 13th January 10:35

[Cyder]

fido said:

Cyder said:

Wait. Are you saying animal cruelty is as common in this country as in China/South East Asia?

So it's okay here because it's less prevalent?

I didn't say that did I?

But you didn't answer my question before launching off into your rant about everywhere else having it's own issues (which is of course true). Per head of population do you think animal cruelty is as common here as it is in China/South East Asia?

Edited to add... You did answer my question it's just I'm a moron and can't read. Humblest apologies!

[Munter]

fido said:

Sorry, i've never read such stereotypical/racist bks before - except on the odd occassion when Morrissey or some other psuedo-fasc8st-bigot says something.

I have read enough stories in my local rag about animal cruelty so to say it is a trait of a particular race or culture means you are clearly ignorant or just a bigot. Next time someone sets a group of pitbulls on a cat, kicks an animal to death, keeps a dozen malnourished animals in their pigsty of a home, or cooks their pet in the microwave - please remind me of their race or culture (if they even have one).

What's the 3rd option? Either it's genetic. Or you are taught it.

In this country a few people are cruel to animals. It's not everybody. So we can assume that animal cruelty is taught to those few. Now they are not sat down and drawn pictures and given tests. So it must be taught to them by the culture that they are raised in.

Apparently in Asia there are more people who are cruel to animals. But again clearly it's not everybody. So it's not genetic. Which leaves one option. They are taught it. And again it's not a subject taught in a class room (as far as I'm aware...). So they pick it up from where do you think?

To stop animal cruelty on a large scale you'll need to influence the culture of the entire area. And you are not going to have the cash to do that quickly no matter what you do. Society changes slowly and usually from within. Outsiders going "haww you know I don't like what you do" will actively make some people continue.

[jenkotvr]

Fido; one thing I aren't is racist! I have many Asian colleagues/friends and spend alot of time in Asia, have you seen first hand what goes on out there?

I know of alot of good local people out there campaigning and they have my full support; my post is purely aimed at the scum who carry out the acts. They know its wrong, I've seen it!!!!!!

The Uk i appreciate is from from saints in this area but look at the media coverage over the woman throwing the cat in a bin! Can you imagine what would happen if a person was caught slaughtering a dog in the high street!

[fido]

My problem is cannot defend or support either position.

Ok - if we're talking about outright and mindless cruelty to animals (as you describe) for fun then yes i would happily work over these people with a baseball bat .. but then again i have no beef with fox-hunting - does that made me bad?

The 'cat woman incident' to me shows a horrible duplicitous side to the public.
I often discuss these issue with people who have no issue with the 99p T3sco chicken they are having for dinner - which to my mind is mistreatment of animals on a huge scale (millions) - does that made them bad? I won't touch the stuff - seriously i'm hardcore about chickens.

So basically, whatever Fearnley-Whittingstall opinion is on the matter ..

[Countdown]

fido said:

... seriously i'm hardcore about chickens.

Fido - I would have to suggest it is cultural (rather than anything to do with race/religion etc). People's views about anything and everything change, depending on how and where you've been raised. as you've pointed out other countries would look at some of the things that happen in the UK with utter revulsion (whereas we may have become inured to it). Similarly practices abroad are distateful to people who have been born and raised in the UK.