A mans frustration turns him to murder
A mans frustration turns him to murder
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vz-r_dave

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3,469 posts

249 months

Wednesday 11th January 2012
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http://digitalhen.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside...

As much as I will never condone murder, it seems that the murderer in this case had been heavily tormented by a bunch of horrible beings for a pro-longed period.

He had made attempts, called the police for months on end yet nothing had been done until the eviction notice. On the night of the stabbing (Murder is the charge but until proven guilty etc) he contacted Police who responded with

"Mr Menary said Mr Lyon called the police to complain about noise at 01.54 BST but the police worker advised Lyon to contact his landlord or the local authority and officers did not attend."

So who exactly is in the wrong here, there is no excuse to take ones life but could this have been stopped earlier? The issue for me is clear, respect others and treat them how you would like to be treated.

Eviction notices are not swift enough, if they are causing that much hassle they should be out on their arses the day they are found guilty of it. fk human rights, when you dont respect others rights I say.

Rant yes but no need to rate it, I just hate the fact that this type of thing carries on in our society. The poor sod has been tormented and will now go to prison because of bunch of s.

Your thoughts?

Digga

48,555 posts

314 months

Wednesday 11th January 2012
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Difficult, because he is surely in the wrong, but the law as it stands on these issues is pretty ste.

AFAIK, noise from neighbours themselves - neighbours and their friends laughing and shouting - is not covered under present anti-social law. Music and/or other mechanical noises (washing machines, lawn mowers etc.) is covered, but often as not, the mere noise of people at unsociable (to working people) hours is the biggest nuisance and very hard to deal with under the current framework.

The link says the victim [i[was[/i] being evicted, but the blindspot in the law does, IMHO make the process harder to effect.

fido

18,922 posts

286 months

Wednesday 11th January 2012
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On a purely selfish level - I bet the neighbours will be secretly pleased with this outcome. I know i would be if it had caused me months or years of insomnia.

StottyZr

6,860 posts

194 months

Wednesday 11th January 2012
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You can only push somebody so far before they snap.

Digga

48,555 posts

314 months

Wednesday 11th January 2012
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Sleep deprivation and disorientation (keeping people out of natural light and fking with their body clock by re-arranging routines) is one of the cleanest and most effective forms of torture.

turbobloke

117,501 posts

291 months

Wednesday 11th January 2012
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Officialdumb takes too long to be dumb, not news but the outcome is never good.

croyde

26,500 posts

261 months

Wednesday 11th January 2012
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Looking at her picture, I'd say that she attacked him. He's not guilty, case closed.

Mr GrimNasty

8,172 posts

201 months

Wednesday 11th January 2012
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Digga said:
Sleep deprivation and disorientation (keeping people out of natural light and fking with their body clock by re-arranging routines) is one of the cleanest and most effective forms of torture.
Outlawed in 1972 by Edward Heath's government as 'torture'. Seems a defence of temporary insanity/diminished responsibility etc. would apply just as wives get off murdering abusive husbands. Some of the 'authorities' should also be facing charges.

Cookie172

856 posts

242 months

Wednesday 11th January 2012
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Currently having similar (though less extreme) problems with the people that live below me (they're on the council, private landlord).

Shame these people know all of their rights and none of their responsibilities.

Balmoral Green

42,561 posts

279 months

Wednesday 11th January 2012
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anonymous said:
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It's that look isn't it. I don't know how they do it, but you just know, even if not in posession of any facts, that they're chavscum. I suppose it comes under demography.

Justayellowbadge

37,057 posts

273 months

Wednesday 11th January 2012
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I suppose it would be tedious to point out that the article is almost completely devoid of any facts?

The defence argument doesn't seem outrageously implausible, and, as has been pointed out, she does look like a grubby little strumpet.

Equally, it may turn out Mr Stabby has long been known as the neighbourhood steroid abusing Mr Angry.

Bit early to tell.

Edited by Justayellowbadge on Wednesday 11th January 12:49

Digga

48,555 posts

314 months

Wednesday 11th January 2012
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Balmoral Green said:
anonymous said:
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It's that look isn't it. I don't know how they do it, but you just know, even if not in posession of any facts, that they're chavscum. I suppose it comes under demography.
It's a kind of contemporary physiognomy. There are some looks that are hard to achieve without the attendant behaviour and attitude.

Mr GrimNasty

8,172 posts

201 months

Wednesday 11th January 2012
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Digga said:
Balmoral Green said:
anonymous said:
[redacted]
yes

It's that look isn't it. I don't know how they do it, but you just know, even if not in posession of any facts, that they're chavscum. I suppose it comes under demography.
It's a kind of contemporary physiognomy. There are some looks that are hard to achieve without the attendant behaviour and attitude.
It's the genetic look of thick people interbreeding.

JagLover

46,837 posts

266 months

Wednesday 11th January 2012
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I doubt I would convict him of murder if I was on the jury.

A case of Chav scum pushing a man too far IMO.

vz-r_dave

Original Poster:

3,469 posts

249 months

Wednesday 11th January 2012
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Will there not be a jury for the case? If so wont they be a little harsh if they give a guilty call?

carmonk

7,910 posts

218 months

Wednesday 11th January 2012
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If she's as bad as is made out and the bloke's found guilty of the offence then I think his sentence should be suspended. If you push someone long enough they'll snap, and that goes for anybody, so to prosecute him for being human is pointless.

DonkeyApple

70,749 posts

200 months

Wednesday 11th January 2012
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Trouble is that he didn't just find the 'fish filleting knife' he took it with him.

Strangely, I have a mental image of this chap and it isn't much different from the dead slug.

By disposing of the slug as well as himself he has probably done all the residents a favour.

shauniebabes

445 posts

207 months

Wednesday 11th January 2012
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carmonk said:
If she's as bad as is made out and the bloke's found guilty of the offence then I think his sentence should be suspended. If you push someone long enough they'll snap, and that goes for anybody, so to prosecute him for being human is pointless.
Most crimes of violence are caused by someone snapping and losing their temper.
Snapping and losing your temper is normal. Stabbing people to death isn't.

vz-r_dave

Original Poster:

3,469 posts

249 months

Wednesday 11th January 2012
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DonkeyApple said:
Trouble is that he didn't just find the 'fish filleting knife' he took it with him.

Strangely, I have a mental image of this chap and it isn't much different from the dead slug.

By disposing of the slug as well as himself he has probably done all the residents a favour.
I dont know, I like to think he was an average working class guy who had enough of council scum. A bit like the movie "Falling Down" its just a shame he wasnt able to get rid of more of them. (i say that in jest....kind of)

z4chris99

12,534 posts

210 months

Wednesday 11th January 2012
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there are a group of lads who make unreal noise at stupid times of the night in the estate opposite me, now they usually shut up when told but if they didn't, which appears to be the case in this mans case, i feel for him being driven mad.

I wouldn't do him for murder, but thats what he will get, he knew full well taking a knife out of his house was only going to lead to one thing.