Thieving Government
Discussion
Does the OP exercise their right to vote?
Governments exist by the consent of society, to provide services that markets aren't capable or good at doing. As a result, most people have better lives and we generally benefit from the rule of law, peace, mild redistribution of wealth etc.
Our press may do its utmost to make us feel otherwise, but the UK is much admired abroad for its stability, relatively low taxation and good governance - and not especially noted for state "theivery".
Road fuel taxation is high in the UK - but our business rates, VAT and other taxes are lower than many other developed countries. Tax is used for social as well as fiscal aims, which partly explains high fuel taxes.
Governments exist by the consent of society, to provide services that markets aren't capable or good at doing. As a result, most people have better lives and we generally benefit from the rule of law, peace, mild redistribution of wealth etc.
Our press may do its utmost to make us feel otherwise, but the UK is much admired abroad for its stability, relatively low taxation and good governance - and not especially noted for state "theivery".
Road fuel taxation is high in the UK - but our business rates, VAT and other taxes are lower than many other developed countries. Tax is used for social as well as fiscal aims, which partly explains high fuel taxes.
tbc said:
it's inevitable Boy George will increase tax, fuel duty is the easiest form of tax to increase, everyone complains but nobody boycotts it because it's essential
People don't boycott it but when the price has reached its acceptable limit people cut down to the minimum.What's that you say 1 billion litres down last year
.While I get the point about voting and what not is there really anyone you can vote fr who would not just keep putting tax up?
Yes I could vote Raving Monster Loony as a protest vote but that is about as affective as me pooing into my hand and throwing it at MPs.
I could vote Green so they abolish fuel duty and instead outlaw any technology invented after 1145 AD so we go back to burning witches to keep warm.
Yes I could vote Raving Monster Loony as a protest vote but that is about as affective as me pooing into my hand and throwing it at MPs.
I could vote Green so they abolish fuel duty and instead outlaw any technology invented after 1145 AD so we go back to burning witches to keep warm.
Basil Hume said:
Does the OP exercise their right to vote?
Governments exist by the consent of society, to provide services that markets aren't capable or good at doing. As a result, most people have better lives and we generally benefit from the rule of law, peace, mild redistribution of wealth etc.
Our press may do its utmost to make us feel otherwise, but the UK is much admired abroad for its stability, relatively low taxation and good governance - and not especially noted for state "theivery".
Road fuel taxation is high in the UK - but our business rates, VAT and other taxes are lower than many other developed countries. Tax is used for social as well as fiscal aims, which partly explains high fuel taxes.
Lol your funny, you sould work in the government PR department...Governments exist by the consent of society, to provide services that markets aren't capable or good at doing. As a result, most people have better lives and we generally benefit from the rule of law, peace, mild redistribution of wealth etc.
Our press may do its utmost to make us feel otherwise, but the UK is much admired abroad for its stability, relatively low taxation and good governance - and not especially noted for state "theivery".
Road fuel taxation is high in the UK - but our business rates, VAT and other taxes are lower than many other developed countries. Tax is used for social as well as fiscal aims, which partly explains high fuel taxes.
TaffRichie said:
Lol your funny, you sould work in the government PR department...
Really? I thought he was spot on. I've worked in a few countries and toyed with the idea of emigrating but it has always boiled down to the fact that I really do believe we live in probably the best place in the world - sure, there are too many people in it and the weather is s
te, but on a balance it's still a great place. Think yourself lucky.
Basil Hume said:
Does the OP exercise their right to vote?
Governments exist by the consent of society, to provide services that markets aren't capable or good at doing. As a result, most people have better lives and we generally benefit from the rule of law, peace, mild redistribution of wealth etc.
Our press may do its utmost to make us feel otherwise, but the UK is much admired abroad for its stability, relatively low taxation and good governance - and not especially noted for state "theivery".
Road fuel taxation is high in the UK - but our business rates, VAT and other taxes are lower than many other developed countries. Tax is used for social as well as fiscal aims, which partly explains high fuel taxes.
I am with you 100% here, I think at time we need to "look-in" before we "look-out". Yes, it may seem bad at times, but there are very very few other countries that I would like to live in. (And if that cock Salmond gets his way, I am moving to bloody Carlisle)Governments exist by the consent of society, to provide services that markets aren't capable or good at doing. As a result, most people have better lives and we generally benefit from the rule of law, peace, mild redistribution of wealth etc.
Our press may do its utmost to make us feel otherwise, but the UK is much admired abroad for its stability, relatively low taxation and good governance - and not especially noted for state "theivery".
Road fuel taxation is high in the UK - but our business rates, VAT and other taxes are lower than many other developed countries. Tax is used for social as well as fiscal aims, which partly explains high fuel taxes.
And do not get me started on the bloody Italians!
750turbo said:
Basil Hume said:
Does the OP exercise their right to vote?
Governments exist by the consent of society, to provide services that markets aren't capable or good at doing. As a result, most people have better lives and we generally benefit from the rule of law, peace, mild redistribution of wealth etc.
Our press may do its utmost to make us feel otherwise, but the UK is much admired abroad for its stability, relatively low taxation and good governance - and not especially noted for state "theivery".
Road fuel taxation is high in the UK - but our business rates, VAT and other taxes are lower than many other developed countries. Tax is used for social as well as fiscal aims, which partly explains high fuel taxes.
I am with you 100% here, I think at time we need to "look-in" before we "look-out". Yes, it may seem bad at times, but there are very very few other countries that I would like to live in. (And if that cock Salmond gets his way, I am moving to bloody Carlisle)Governments exist by the consent of society, to provide services that markets aren't capable or good at doing. As a result, most people have better lives and we generally benefit from the rule of law, peace, mild redistribution of wealth etc.
Our press may do its utmost to make us feel otherwise, but the UK is much admired abroad for its stability, relatively low taxation and good governance - and not especially noted for state "theivery".
Road fuel taxation is high in the UK - but our business rates, VAT and other taxes are lower than many other developed countries. Tax is used for social as well as fiscal aims, which partly explains high fuel taxes.
And do not get me started on the bloody Italians!
The only message that's ever really going to get listened to the economic one and if you don't like the level of taxation in the UK then you always have the option of changing your lifestyle quite legally and legitimately to avoid paying a substantial proportion of it.
Jaguar steve said:
The only message that's ever really going to get listened to the economic one and if you don't like the level of taxation in the UK then you always have the option of changing your lifestyle quite legally and legitimately to avoid paying a substantial proportion of it.
Dave Hedgehog said:
The easiest target at the moment is the top VED band, would not be hard for them to justify putting that up to £1000 a year
Rubbish... why should enthiusiasts who drive large capacity sports cars just a few miles a year pay 10 times the tax of the buisnessman in his hybrid running all over the country?jbi said:
Rubbish... why should enthiusiasts who drive large capacity sports cars just a few miles a year pay 10 times the tax of the buisnessman in his hybrid running all over the country?
The VED for my old "stbox" that has the material value of £500 is £130 . A friend of mine bought a new Jag XJL last year, £70k I expect. His first years tax is £900 or so, then £450 after that. So, who's paying the most tax?Morba said:
Jaguar steve said:
The only message that's ever really going to get listened to the economic one and if you don't like the level of taxation in the UK then you always have the option of changing your lifestyle quite legally and legitimately to avoid paying a substantial proportion of it.
Just one example - between three of us we drink somthing like 300 bottles of wine a year. Excise duty on a bottle bought in the UK is around £2 plus VAT so £2.40 of whatever price you pay for one bottle is nothing whatsoever to do with the quality of the wine - it's all tax.
Tax on wine in France is just a few cents a bottle. Do a couple of booze cruises a year (£19 day return and usually 6 free bottles of wine thrown in) and stock up. You buy a much nicer bottle of wine for a lot less than you'd pay in the UK and you reduce the UK tax take by £720 a year. Brim the tank with French diesel in Calais on the way home twice a year and that's a further £80 the government has to do without.
So there you are - £800 less tax every year, a couple of enjoyable days out and a cupboard full of really nice wine. What's not to like?
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