Northern Ireland referendum / Independence
Discussion
slow_poke said:
Should Scotland decide to plough its own furrow, I can easily envisage Northern Ireland following her - the people there on both sides of the sectarian divide have more in common culturally and ethnically with the Scotch than they do with the English.
Eh? Just not with each other. One wants united ireland (and in private the republic doesn't want that problem and is a basket case financially right now) and the other... Might be inclined, but I wonder if Alex would want the problem?!MiniMan64 said:
Thom987 said:
Norn Iron is not financially viable. End of story.
And a large majority of the people don't want it anyway, we're quite happy as it is. For those that would rather not, the option to the south of us as a united Ireland isn't looking like a great prospect either!Thom987 said:
MiniMan64 said:
Thom987 said:
Norn Iron is not financially viable. End of story.
And a large majority of the people don't want it anyway, we're quite happy as it is. For those that would rather not, the option to the south of us as a united Ireland isn't looking like a great prospect either!
(And besides I live this side of the water now anyway!)
kerCan't we do a 3 for 1 deal and "gift" Wales and NI to Scotland?!
On a serious note I think most the English are indifferent regarding such an action. Not because of cost or nationalist issues, but because we recognise that it's fair enough if Scotland, Wales and NI want to go it alone and manage themselves - with a fair split.
This will include:
- not using the pound
- a fair proportion of national debt assumed based on previous spending
- no defense protection applied
- immigration controls (no flood of labour back to the EU in case of economic collapse)
- no return (in case of economic collapse)
- all other services are stopped (bbc, NHS) unless agreement on a profitable export basis is reached - very happy for the new nations to provide their own.
On a serious note I think most the English are indifferent regarding such an action. Not because of cost or nationalist issues, but because we recognise that it's fair enough if Scotland, Wales and NI want to go it alone and manage themselves - with a fair split.
This will include:
- not using the pound
- a fair proportion of national debt assumed based on previous spending
- no defense protection applied
- immigration controls (no flood of labour back to the EU in case of economic collapse)
- no return (in case of economic collapse)
- all other services are stopped (bbc, NHS) unless agreement on a profitable export basis is reached - very happy for the new nations to provide their own.
0a said:
Can't we do a 3 for 1 deal and "gift" Wales and NI to Scotland?!
On a serious note I think most the English are indifferent regarding such an action. Not because of cost or nationalist issues, but because we recognise that it's fair enough if Scotland, Wales and NI want to go it alone and manage themselves - with a fair split.
This will include:
- not using the pound
- a fair proportion of national debt assumed based on previous spending
- no defense protection applied
- immigration controls (no flood of labour back to the EU in case of economic collapse)
- no return (in case of economic collapse)
- all other services are stopped (bbc, NHS) unless agreement on a profitable export basis is reached - very happy for the new nations to provide their own.
Since when did the pound and BBC etc belong to England?On a serious note I think most the English are indifferent regarding such an action. Not because of cost or nationalist issues, but because we recognise that it's fair enough if Scotland, Wales and NI want to go it alone and manage themselves - with a fair split.
This will include:
- not using the pound
- a fair proportion of national debt assumed based on previous spending
- no defense protection applied
- immigration controls (no flood of labour back to the EU in case of economic collapse)
- no return (in case of economic collapse)
- all other services are stopped (bbc, NHS) unless agreement on a profitable export basis is reached - very happy for the new nations to provide their own.
Kudos said:
0a said:
Can't we do a 3 for 1 deal and "gift" Wales and NI to Scotland?!
On a serious note I think most the English are indifferent regarding such an action. Not because of cost or nationalist issues, but because we recognise that it's fair enough if Scotland, Wales and NI want to go it alone and manage themselves - with a fair split.
This will include:
- not using the pound
- a fair proportion of national debt assumed based on previous spending
- no defense protection applied
- immigration controls (no flood of labour back to the EU in case of economic collapse)
- no return (in case of economic collapse)
- all other services are stopped (bbc, NHS) unless agreement on a profitable export basis is reached - very happy for the new nations to provide their own.
Since when did the pound and BBC etc belong to England?On a serious note I think most the English are indifferent regarding such an action. Not because of cost or nationalist issues, but because we recognise that it's fair enough if Scotland, Wales and NI want to go it alone and manage themselves - with a fair split.
This will include:
- not using the pound
- a fair proportion of national debt assumed based on previous spending
- no defense protection applied
- immigration controls (no flood of labour back to the EU in case of economic collapse)
- no return (in case of economic collapse)
- all other services are stopped (bbc, NHS) unless agreement on a profitable export basis is reached - very happy for the new nations to provide their own.
Secondly realpolitik of a break up situation is that England contains 85% of the population and even more of the wealth. Having decided to break up you have then made it electorally advantageous for the British PM to screw you.
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