Prevention is it better than Detection?
Prevention is it better than Detection?
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Tonyrec

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3,984 posts

278 months

Wednesday 7th July 2004
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Many years ago, we were told that Prevention was/is better than Detection.

Nowadays, the way that some of these Gatsos and Talivans operate, this is surely not the case....but why?

DustyC

12,820 posts

277 months

Wednesday 7th July 2004
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£££

BliarOut

72,863 posts

262 months

Wednesday 7th July 2004
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Tonyrec said:
Many years ago, we were told that Prevention was/is better than Detection.

Nowadays, the way that some of these Gatsos and Talivans operate, this is surely not the case....but why?


Surely this comment doesn't sit easily with your opinion on advanced driver training on another thread? Playing devils advocate maybe?

We all know you aren't supposed to be instrument fixated, but present policy makes it difficult not to be. I'm afraid I am extremely likely to invest in a laser jammer soon so I can get back to driving safely!

I should add, I normally drive well above the speed limit outside built up areas. Managed to avoid every talivan so far, so maybe I am already paying enough attention! I just don't trust the scammers.

I have no doubt it is a policy at the highest level to reduce congestion whilst boosting the governments coffers at the same time. If I have to break the law to avoid being party to the scam then so be it.

I would say it's in every BiB's interest to get as much distance between themselves and the scammers as possible before it gets messy.

leosayer

7,671 posts

267 months

Wednesday 7th July 2004
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Simply because the detection of speeding offences is very easy to implement and the infrastructure surrounding it is self-financing.

The fact that cash raised from scameras goes back to the treasury and not on road safety (ie prevention) is quite frankly, appalling.

observer

115 posts

268 months

Wednesday 7th July 2004
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leosayer said:
The fact that cash raised from scameras goes back to the treasury and not on road safety (ie prevention) is quite frankly, appalling.


Surely you mean "appealing"?

Dwight VanDriver

6,583 posts

267 months

Wednesday 7th July 2004
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Surely the camera is supposed to be a deterrent, hence prevention.

Bit like a Burglar Alarm also a deterent.

Activate either and the chances are that you may get nabbed?

DVD

pdV6

16,442 posts

284 months

Wednesday 7th July 2004
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Dwight VanDriver said:
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Surely the camera is supposed to be a deterrent, hence prevention.

Bit like a Burglar Alarm also a deterent.

Activate either and the chances are that you may get nabbed?

DVD

But if you were nabbed by a trafpol, you would then have been prevented from carrying on your merry way at "dangerous" speed. Should the scamera partnerships be held liable for deaths and injuries that occur just past camera/van sites, when the offending driver hasn't been prevented from continuing?

gh0st

4,693 posts

281 months

Wednesday 7th July 2004
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Prevention is better than detection

I have a jammer, I prevent you from getting a reading, I slow down and dont get fined.

Everyone is happy, you get a lock after I have switched the device off at the "correct" speed limit, I have slowed down it what is obviously an accident blackspot otherwise why would you be there? ()

I thank you

Deester

1,607 posts

283 months

Wednesday 7th July 2004
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gh0st said:
Prevention is better than detection

I have a jammer, I prevent you from getting a reading, I slow down and dont get fined.

Everyone is happy, you get a lock after I have switched the device off at the "correct" speed limit, I have slowed down it what is obviously an accident blackspot otherwise why would you be there? ()

I thank you



Until they pull you over to find out why they couldn't get a reading!

pbrettle

3,280 posts

306 months

Wednesday 7th July 2004
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Tonyrec said:
Many years ago, we were told that Prevention was/is better than Detection.

Nowadays, the way that some of these Gatsos and Talivans operate, this is surely not the case....but why?


Prevention is and always will be better than detection. No one wants a society which is divided between the "caught" and the "not caught". We have a segregated population as it stands, we dont need to make it any worse by detecting and prosecuting more.... we need to prevent people from attempting a crime in the first place - correct me if I am wrong, but I thought jails were there for this purpose - no one wants to go to jail, so you dont do the crime....

Its exactly the same with speeding and cameras. As soon as someone is caught on a camera its failed. It should be there to deter rather than catch....The use of road engineering, signs and education will have a bigger impact on road safety rather than some automated cameras which are purely placed to make a profit....

Prevention is the best way forward.

kevinday

13,660 posts

303 months

Wednesday 7th July 2004
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pbrettle said:


Prevention is the best way forward.


Not if it means driving round in cars with automated speed controls linked to GPS systems.

V8 Archie

4,703 posts

271 months

Wednesday 7th July 2004
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kevinday said:
pbrettle said:
Prevention is the best way forward.
Not if it means driving round in cars with automated speed controls linked to GPS systems.
They'll really struggle to get one of those working in my car . If it does become law I'll wire it into the dashlight switch. Dashlights on = fun. Dashlights off = "What do I need to see the speedo for officer?".

pbrettle

3,280 posts

306 months

Wednesday 7th July 2004
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kevinday said:

pbrettle said:


Prevention is the best way forward.



Not if it means driving round in cars with automated speed controls linked to GPS systems.


Not on my nelly it wont....

And anyway - its a freedom issue here. Do we all wear electric pulse collars which cause shocks should we ever attempt to shoplift, park illegally or plan a bank robbery? No, but I will stand and fight the man that attempts to prevent me from having the choice.

8Pack

5,182 posts

263 months

Thursday 8th July 2004
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Well! Anyone could be forgiven for thinking that in this green and pleasant land, the most dangerous and criminal activity is: a driver! exceeding the speed limit by 5 mph! Oh! If it were only so!

I seriously doubt if this really rates in the top 100 concerns of the general population. What does concern them ( Mr. Politician) is the the rise in crime against ordinary people in this country over the last 25+ yrs. GET OFF OUR FING!! BACKS!!!!!!! Or you will suffer the consequences!! At Election time, soft well paid jobs like yours, don't come easy! And they are EASILY lost!!

You Labs,Cons,Libs,UKip,MRLP,Voters Etc,Etc!! Let them know that you will NOT vote for them if this policy continues, because be in NO doubt, at the top, they ALL intend to continue it!!

Mr E

22,698 posts

282 months

Thursday 8th July 2004
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Deester said:


Until they pull you over to find out why they couldn't get a reading!


What, and miss all the £60 oppotunities behind you?