Paying to park at work
Discussion
Mrs FB came home tonight and told me she'll be £188 a year worse off as she is having to pay most of Nottingham City Council's workplace parking levy. Her employer is putting in the other £100. £288 a year to park where you work - rising to £381 by 2015.
Nottingham City Council aren't stupid either. Some of the companies which fall into this are: Boots, Imperial Tobacco, Experian and Capital One - not small employers by any stretch. The Boots site alone (where OH works) covers 300 acres and has over 3,000 people working there. Despite much resistance from business in the area, the 1st of April is D-Day for commencement of the charge.
I've not seen it discussed here and am interested in other's views. I personally expect the roads of industrial estates to be rammed as people revolt against parking on their employers land and park on the streets instead.
Nottingham City Council aren't stupid either. Some of the companies which fall into this are: Boots, Imperial Tobacco, Experian and Capital One - not small employers by any stretch. The Boots site alone (where OH works) covers 300 acres and has over 3,000 people working there. Despite much resistance from business in the area, the 1st of April is D-Day for commencement of the charge.
I've not seen it discussed here and am interested in other's views. I personally expect the roads of industrial estates to be rammed as people revolt against parking on their employers land and park on the streets instead.
no free parking for work anywhere here unless you are up in the rarified atmosphere of senior manager and able to get one of the few allocated parking spaces that come with each building ....
most people pay between GBP50 and GBP200 a month depending on down town or in the boonies.
Carparks are still always full.
most people pay between GBP50 and GBP200 a month depending on down town or in the boonies.
Carparks are still always full.
I have to pay £2 a day to park, used to be £4 but an enterprising chap got refused planning permission for flats on some disused land so is sticking it to the Council by charging half the price for car parking.
Its easy money for the councils, they can claim its for green reasons but everyone knows its to boost their coffers. If they werent doing this it would only be increasing Council tax.
Guess its a case of suck it up, no company is going to move over this.
Its easy money for the councils, they can claim its for green reasons but everyone knows its to boost their coffers. If they werent doing this it would only be increasing Council tax.
Guess its a case of suck it up, no company is going to move over this.
Nottingham City Council mooted this some years ago and pressure then stopped it.
That was under a Labour, anti car Government, I'm surprised they are doing this under the current Government.
Then, if they want to see businesses locate to more friendly areas, so be it.
Just what goes through their heads?
That was under a Labour, anti car Government, I'm surprised they are doing this under the current Government.
Then, if they want to see businesses locate to more friendly areas, so be it.
Just what goes through their heads?
Finally bought it in then...I remember they were planning this back when i left Uni there in 2005.
I actually remember (rose tinted specs maybe) Nottingham being a fairly quick and uncongested city to get around back around 2002 before they tore up Maid Marian way and pedestrianized/restricted access around trinity sq/victoria centre.
Went back recently and traffic was a nightmare.
As for the plan, its just another tax on people who actually pay their way and want to work. Its morally disgraceful and I hope causes businesses to relocate to out of town business parks.
I actually remember (rose tinted specs maybe) Nottingham being a fairly quick and uncongested city to get around back around 2002 before they tore up Maid Marian way and pedestrianized/restricted access around trinity sq/victoria centre.
Went back recently and traffic was a nightmare.
As for the plan, its just another tax on people who actually pay their way and want to work. Its morally disgraceful and I hope causes businesses to relocate to out of town business parks.
FunBusMk2 said:
Mrs FB came home tonight and told me she'll be £188 a year worse off as she is having to pay most of Nottingham City Council's workplace parking levy. Her employer is putting in the other £100. £288 a year to park where you work - rising to £381 by 2015.
Nottingham City Council aren't stupid either. Some of the companies which fall into this are: Boots, Imperial Tobacco, Experian and Capital One - not small employers by any stretch. The Boots site alone (where OH works) covers 300 acres and has over 3,000 people working there. Despite much resistance from business in the area, the 1st of April is D-Day for commencement of the charge.
I've not seen it discussed here and am interested in other's views. I personally expect the roads of industrial estates to be rammed as people revolt against parking on their employers land and park on the streets instead.
I thought Boots were rejigging their site so the staff parking fell on land in Rushcliffe rather than the City Nottingham City Council aren't stupid either. Some of the companies which fall into this are: Boots, Imperial Tobacco, Experian and Capital One - not small employers by any stretch. The Boots site alone (where OH works) covers 300 acres and has over 3,000 people working there. Despite much resistance from business in the area, the 1st of April is D-Day for commencement of the charge.
I've not seen it discussed here and am interested in other's views. I personally expect the roads of industrial estates to be rammed as people revolt against parking on their employers land and park on the streets instead.
I think we've found yet another private sector perk that is being eroded...
the public sector have been paying to park for years, either becasue councils saw parking as a potential profit centre, or because , despite the wailing and gnashing from the Daily Wail Hospitals can't spend NHS money on parking
Edited by mph1977 on Thursday 26th January 01:24
mph1977 said:
I thought Boots were rejigging their site so the staff parking fell on land in Rushcliffe rather than the City
None of their land falls within Rushcliffe, but some of the 300 acre site they have is under Broxtowe and they did look into a multi-storey car park on land within that boundary. Broxtowe borough council said no because it goes against what the neighbouring council wants, or other such b
ks.Boots owner though is not standing down over it - I beleive he's approached the PM about it as Mr Cameron is all for Nottingham being an 'Enterprise Zone'. There's nothing he can do though as it's local Government policy.
FunBusMk2 said:
I've not seen it discussed here and am interested in other's views. I personally expect the roads of industrial estates to be rammed as people revolt against parking on their employers land and park on the streets instead.
Then they make the streets no parking during working hours and/or your car gets vandalised by the locals for clogging up their streets. Seen it happen at JPM in Bournemouth.At least your wife will be able to avail herself of the cheap and practical public transport that this levy will no doubt be funding.
My prediction - in the next 5 years nothing will happen. Employers will deal with the issue whether they pay themselves or subsidise the employee. Employees will pay until they decide they are better off working outside the city. Perhaps some employers will allow telecommuting.
I predict Capital One will break this by moving. They are a US company and their management will look at this in a US way - they don't like paying taxes and will move if it saves them money. They could move to Derby and take all their essential staff with them and still save money. Or maybe further afield perhaps. Lots of cities would love them as an employer.
Once that happens it's only going to be a matter of time before the other employers start to leave as the rational reasons for staying start to disappear.
In general, cities need to learn that people like 'free' and 'convenient' - the growth of the out of town retail parks and demise of the retail sector in town is testament to that and if they are not careful they will drive out the non-retail end as well.
I predict Capital One will break this by moving. They are a US company and their management will look at this in a US way - they don't like paying taxes and will move if it saves them money. They could move to Derby and take all their essential staff with them and still save money. Or maybe further afield perhaps. Lots of cities would love them as an employer.
Once that happens it's only going to be a matter of time before the other employers start to leave as the rational reasons for staying start to disappear.
In general, cities need to learn that people like 'free' and 'convenient' - the growth of the out of town retail parks and demise of the retail sector in town is testament to that and if they are not careful they will drive out the non-retail end as well.
Bing o said:
At least your wife will be able to avail herself of the cheap and practical public transport that this levy will no doubt be funding.
The levy will be primarily funding phase 2 of the tram system or "NET" as it's called. And, you've guessed it - it doesn't go close enough to Boots site to be useful to anyone that works there. As for the OH getting the bus, well this would take her at least an hour by the time she's got into the City Centre and back out again (compared to the current 10 minutes). To be fair though the bus does go right onto the site.Edited by FunBusMk2 on Thursday 26th January 03:59
A few years back I went to a meeting with lots of businesses for a local business magazine, when this was one of the topics- under new labour, and under their labour councils. Th results surprised me..
Tyhe business leaders all seeemd to agree that, because they felt Nottingham was a European city, they SHOULD have the parkling levy, as "London has it, Edinburgh considered it, so we should have it too"
I was gobsmaked. That they really thoguht Nottinghsm was THAT important as a place, and they really wanted it.
But the person above is rigth: nothing will happen. It costs megamoney to relocate, so they'll stay put, the employees will suffer (but where else will they work??) and Nottingham will believe they are a major European city
Tyhe business leaders all seeemd to agree that, because they felt Nottingham was a European city, they SHOULD have the parkling levy, as "London has it, Edinburgh considered it, so we should have it too"
I was gobsmaked. That they really thoguht Nottinghsm was THAT important as a place, and they really wanted it.
But the person above is rigth: nothing will happen. It costs megamoney to relocate, so they'll stay put, the employees will suffer (but where else will they work??) and Nottingham will believe they are a major European city
Of no immediate financial help to those paying in Nottingham, but this was in Local Transport Today about a month ago.
Workplace parking levies blocked
The DfT this week effectively blocked local authorities in England from introducing workplace parking levy schemes, declaring that any proposals must have “support from the local business community”.
“Local authorities must show they have properly and effectively consulted local businesses, have addressed any proper concerns raised and secured support from the local business community,” the DfT said in a report outlining the conclusions of the Government’s Red Tape Review on motoring regulations.
The new approach will not be embodied in legislation. Instead, ministers will review business engagement and support when considering a local authority’s application for a workplace parking levy Order.
The policy change comes too late to stop the country’s first workplace parking levy scheme going ahead in Nottingham. The city council will start charging for spaces in April.
Nottingham’s levy has been fought by Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire Chamber of Commerce and many businesses, including Boots, whose headquarters are in the city.
Workplace parking levies blocked
The DfT this week effectively blocked local authorities in England from introducing workplace parking levy schemes, declaring that any proposals must have “support from the local business community”.
“Local authorities must show they have properly and effectively consulted local businesses, have addressed any proper concerns raised and secured support from the local business community,” the DfT said in a report outlining the conclusions of the Government’s Red Tape Review on motoring regulations.
The new approach will not be embodied in legislation. Instead, ministers will review business engagement and support when considering a local authority’s application for a workplace parking levy Order.
The policy change comes too late to stop the country’s first workplace parking levy scheme going ahead in Nottingham. The city council will start charging for spaces in April.
Nottingham’s levy has been fought by Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire Chamber of Commerce and many businesses, including Boots, whose headquarters are in the city.
Blue Oval84 said:
I seriously think if I was running a big employer, and the council tried this, I'd be tempted to threaten to move somewhere else, and I'd probably carry it out!
I'd also make sure that the council knew I would publically blame them at every opportunity...
What you would actually do as a retailer is double the price of your goods to anyone who works for the council or just ban them from your shops. Make a nice big public display about how you defend your employees against tax theft. I'd also make sure that the council knew I would publically blame them at every opportunity...
Blue Oval84 said:
I seriously think if I was running a big employer, and the council tried this, I'd be tempted to threaten to move somewhere else, and I'd probably carry it out!
I'd also make sure that the council knew I would publically blame them at every opportunity...
Do you have any idea of the costs of relocating? It ain't cheap, and why bother when the costs are passed on to the employee anyway.I'd also make sure that the council knew I would publically blame them at every opportunity...
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