Article on steroids
Discussion
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2008/may/18...
Now, I have no experience of steroids, and my knowledge extends only to what I've read about them over the years, I also don't judge steroid users - each to their own, particularly when it comes to one's own body.
Having said all that, I'm left wondering how accurate the experiences described in the article are? My gut feeling is that dramatic effect is being used here, and that the truth lies somewhere between the extremes described.
Now, I have no experience of steroids, and my knowledge extends only to what I've read about them over the years, I also don't judge steroid users - each to their own, particularly when it comes to one's own body.
Having said all that, I'm left wondering how accurate the experiences described in the article are? My gut feeling is that dramatic effect is being used here, and that the truth lies somewhere between the extremes described.
Edited by ApexJimi on Monday 30th January 12:14
The rapid transformation from massive to shrivelled up pecs etc is most likely exagerated. I dont do steroids, or even pro hormones, but know people who do and have discussed it all quite a lot with them, one in particular who started a few months ago.
The rapid strength gains and lean muscle sounds spot on, the person I was speaking to went from squatting around 110kg's to over 150kg's in just over 3 weeks for example, and gains were similar accross the board. He saw a massive increase in lean size, and it was literally a case of weights he used to absolutely max out with 3 reps, he could now do 8 reps, then add a bunch more weight and do 8 more.
Side effects sound about right too, there are numerous and vary from person to person, and the sheer amount of other products you have to take to try and minimise these side effects is rediculous. The steroids are (seem) cheap, the other stuff you have to take during and as a PCT all add up though.
People I know who have come off didnt see an instant loss of muscle though. You have to ensure you have a good PCT and a natural test booster to get your body producing it's own test again. That way you minimise the losses.
Obviously there are some losses in strength and muscle size, but you're talking maybe 4 or 5 pounds if you are very astute about your post eating, training, PCT etc. When you've gained probably a stone of lean muscle over 5 weeks, that's not such a bad loss.
Personally not for me, having seen first hand some of the sides, and the shutdown that can happen once you stop, plus the mood swings and depression a lot of people get, I would rathhr spend the money of food and a good all-in-one. I wouldnt take the risks associated with this stuff, but it depends how badly you want to get bigger muscles really quickly, I am taking the long slow route, but a lot of peole Ive trained with have far esceeded what Ill ever achieve being natural, but there's always a price to pay.
One thing that is often overlooked is the long term damage it must do to your joints, like hips, elbows, knees, etc, if your body is simply not designed to bench 140kg's or whatever, then artificially allowing it too will have a consequence at some point.
The rapid strength gains and lean muscle sounds spot on, the person I was speaking to went from squatting around 110kg's to over 150kg's in just over 3 weeks for example, and gains were similar accross the board. He saw a massive increase in lean size, and it was literally a case of weights he used to absolutely max out with 3 reps, he could now do 8 reps, then add a bunch more weight and do 8 more.
Side effects sound about right too, there are numerous and vary from person to person, and the sheer amount of other products you have to take to try and minimise these side effects is rediculous. The steroids are (seem) cheap, the other stuff you have to take during and as a PCT all add up though.
People I know who have come off didnt see an instant loss of muscle though. You have to ensure you have a good PCT and a natural test booster to get your body producing it's own test again. That way you minimise the losses.
Obviously there are some losses in strength and muscle size, but you're talking maybe 4 or 5 pounds if you are very astute about your post eating, training, PCT etc. When you've gained probably a stone of lean muscle over 5 weeks, that's not such a bad loss.
Personally not for me, having seen first hand some of the sides, and the shutdown that can happen once you stop, plus the mood swings and depression a lot of people get, I would rathhr spend the money of food and a good all-in-one. I wouldnt take the risks associated with this stuff, but it depends how badly you want to get bigger muscles really quickly, I am taking the long slow route, but a lot of peole Ive trained with have far esceeded what Ill ever achieve being natural, but there's always a price to pay.
One thing that is often overlooked is the long term damage it must do to your joints, like hips, elbows, knees, etc, if your body is simply not designed to bench 140kg's or whatever, then artificially allowing it too will have a consequence at some point.
good read
you can achieve far better results overall with time, knowledge, discipline & dedication.
dont enter any kind of training for vanity alone, it will end in tears.
I'm sure some of the 'mannerisms' of certain members on here are linked to usage, having seen over the years how 'users' interact socially, its quite familiar
you can achieve far better results overall with time, knowledge, discipline & dedication.
dont enter any kind of training for vanity alone, it will end in tears.
I'm sure some of the 'mannerisms' of certain members on here are linked to usage, having seen over the years how 'users' interact socially, its quite familiar
BananaBok said:
The rapid transformation from massive to shrivelled up pecs etc is most likely exagerated. I dont do steroids, or even pro hormones, but know people who do and have discussed it all quite a lot with them, one in particular who started a few months ago.
The rapid strength gains and lean muscle sounds spot on, the person I was speaking to went from squatting around 110kg's to over 150kg's in just over 3 weeks for example, and gains were similar accross the board. He saw a massive increase in lean size, and it was literally a case of weights he used to absolutely max out with 3 reps, he could now do 8 reps, then add a bunch more weight and do 8 more.
Side effects sound about right too, there are numerous and vary from person to person, and the sheer amount of other products you have to take to try and minimise these side effects is rediculous. The steroids are (seem) cheap, the other stuff you have to take during and as a PCT all add up though.
People I know who have come off didnt see an instant loss of muscle though. You have to ensure you have a good PCT and a natural test booster to get your body producing it's own test again. That way you minimise the losses.
Obviously there are some losses in strength and muscle size, but you're talking maybe 4 or 5 pounds if you are very astute about your post eating, training, PCT etc. When you've gained probably a stone of lean muscle over 5 weeks, that's not such a bad loss.
Personally not for me, having seen first hand some of the sides, and the shutdown that can happen once you stop, plus the mood swings and depression a lot of people get, I would rathhr spend the money of food and a good all-in-one. I wouldnt take the risks associated with this stuff, but it depends how badly you want to get bigger muscles really quickly, I am taking the long slow route, but a lot of peole Ive trained with have far esceeded what Ill ever achieve being natural, but there's always a price to pay.
One thing that is often overlooked is the long term damage it must do to your joints, like hips, elbows, knees, etc, if your body is simply not designed to bench 140kg's or whatever, then artificially allowing it too will have a consequence at some point.
Good post. Pretty much sums up my thoughts.The rapid strength gains and lean muscle sounds spot on, the person I was speaking to went from squatting around 110kg's to over 150kg's in just over 3 weeks for example, and gains were similar accross the board. He saw a massive increase in lean size, and it was literally a case of weights he used to absolutely max out with 3 reps, he could now do 8 reps, then add a bunch more weight and do 8 more.
Side effects sound about right too, there are numerous and vary from person to person, and the sheer amount of other products you have to take to try and minimise these side effects is rediculous. The steroids are (seem) cheap, the other stuff you have to take during and as a PCT all add up though.
People I know who have come off didnt see an instant loss of muscle though. You have to ensure you have a good PCT and a natural test booster to get your body producing it's own test again. That way you minimise the losses.
Obviously there are some losses in strength and muscle size, but you're talking maybe 4 or 5 pounds if you are very astute about your post eating, training, PCT etc. When you've gained probably a stone of lean muscle over 5 weeks, that's not such a bad loss.
Personally not for me, having seen first hand some of the sides, and the shutdown that can happen once you stop, plus the mood swings and depression a lot of people get, I would rathhr spend the money of food and a good all-in-one. I wouldnt take the risks associated with this stuff, but it depends how badly you want to get bigger muscles really quickly, I am taking the long slow route, but a lot of peole Ive trained with have far esceeded what Ill ever achieve being natural, but there's always a price to pay.
One thing that is often overlooked is the long term damage it must do to your joints, like hips, elbows, knees, etc, if your body is simply not designed to bench 140kg's or whatever, then artificially allowing it too will have a consequence at some point.
Enjoyable read, but I can't shake the feeling that it was blown way out of proportion (he's a writer, it's what he does).
Also really disliked the reference to creatine at the end. I get that it was simply being substituted for the word steroids in both his and the doctor's words, but I am certain that the average person reading that will take it to mean that creatine is a kind of dangerous steroid, when it's simply a harmless water-retention tool. It's hard enough convincing people that it's a reasonable thing to take without comparisons/substitutions like that being made (the amount of arguments I had with people while I was trying it out!)
Am I the only one who sees the pictures at the top and can't help but wonder about steroid use though? I wouldn't say it's tempting, but... sort of?
Also really disliked the reference to creatine at the end. I get that it was simply being substituted for the word steroids in both his and the doctor's words, but I am certain that the average person reading that will take it to mean that creatine is a kind of dangerous steroid, when it's simply a harmless water-retention tool. It's hard enough convincing people that it's a reasonable thing to take without comparisons/substitutions like that being made (the amount of arguments I had with people while I was trying it out!)
Am I the only one who sees the pictures at the top and can't help but wonder about steroid use though? I wouldn't say it's tempting, but... sort of?
very good read,
dont understand roiders your huge but for what losses, he spent 1300 dollars on protein and 750 dollars on tuna in 16 weeks, even then, its ridiculous, genuine way to cause yourself serious harm. you get huge...so, you have no balls, no hair, b
h tits, a caveman head. and serious problems such as insomnia, back pain, a dirty abcess in your hip.. woop de doo,
hench enough that people think your a dick, and women think your a dick, and any woman that doesnt you cant do sod all with cos she takes one look at your balls and laughs her head off
seems like a huge waste of time, money and your life.
dont understand roiders your huge but for what losses, he spent 1300 dollars on protein and 750 dollars on tuna in 16 weeks, even then, its ridiculous, genuine way to cause yourself serious harm. you get huge...so, you have no balls, no hair, b
h tits, a caveman head. and serious problems such as insomnia, back pain, a dirty abcess in your hip.. woop de doo,hench enough that people think your a dick, and women think your a dick, and any woman that doesnt you cant do sod all with cos she takes one look at your balls and laughs her head off
seems like a huge waste of time, money and your life.
BettySwollocks2 said:
very good read,
dont understand roiders your huge but for what losses, he spent 1300 dollars on protein and 750 dollars on tuna in 16 weeks, even then, its ridiculous, genuine way to cause yourself serious harm. you get huge...so, you have no balls, no hair, bh tits, a caveman head. and serious problems such as insomnia, back pain, a dirty abcess in your hip.. woop de doo,
hench enough that people think your a dick, and women think your a dick, and any woman that doesnt you cant do sod all with cos she takes one look at your balls and laughs her head off
seems like a huge waste of time, money and your life.
right, but thats not what it's like.dont understand roiders your huge but for what losses, he spent 1300 dollars on protein and 750 dollars on tuna in 16 weeks, even then, its ridiculous, genuine way to cause yourself serious harm. you get huge...so, you have no balls, no hair, b
h tits, a caveman head. and serious problems such as insomnia, back pain, a dirty abcess in your hip.. woop de doo,hench enough that people think your a dick, and women think your a dick, and any woman that doesnt you cant do sod all with cos she takes one look at your balls and laughs her head off
seems like a huge waste of time, money and your life.
Tiggsy said:
right, but thats not what it's like.
+1Not this s
t again.Everytime someone writes an article on steroids, 50% of it is either greatly exaggerated or just plain old bulls
t.I worked in a gym for 3 years and knew a lot of people who used gear. From pro-hormones, through orals like Dianabol, right up to equipoise and test shots etc.
These were some of the most varied and normal people I have ever met. Solicitors, student doctors, office workers.. You name it.
None of them were like clucking junkies. In fact, steroid users are some of the 'cleanest living' and most clued up people you could meet. Because of what they are trying to achieve, they rarely smoke or drink alcohol, they eat extremely well and they are obviously exercising hard and regularly.
With a bit of care and sense, and a dose of remedies for the possibility of side effects (cranberry juice, milk thistke, clomid, nolvadex) most seemingly got 'ripped' and made decent gains without any noticeable side effects.
The fact of the matter is, steroids work. Absolutely no question.
Who do you think is in better health? Joe Public who doesn't exercise much, eats the odd takeaway and gets pissed in the pub most weekends, or someone who spends their life excercising, carefully monitoring their diet and their level of fitness, not drinking alcohol, and taking the odd but of gear every 6-8 week cycle?
NinjaPower said:
The fact of the matter is, steroids work. Absolutely no question.
...When used in conjunction with the right diet and exercise. People seem to think (and I'm not questioning you Mr NinjaPower), that steroid use makes you big. Well, ok, yes it does, but if you haven't got the rest of it right then you're wasting your time doing it. Autopilot said:
...When used in conjunction with the right diet and exercise. People seem to think (and I'm not questioning you Mr NinjaPower), that steroid use makes you big. Well, ok, yes it does, but if you haven't got the rest of it right then you're wasting your time doing it.
Correctamundo.BettySwollocks2 said:
Tiggsy said:
right, but thats not what it's like.
whats it like then, you got experience?His before body is not that of someone on a plateau. His after body is not only achievable with steroids. He looks like just another guy looking for shortcuts or not enough will power to try and find his natural limit. He could have easily been the after guy in a couple of years max.
The article seems sensationalist to me. He got every every side effect and anything that he did apparently happened over night. I got fed up reading how he woke up and something new and horrific had happened.
Never done roids and I doubt I would. Some people get all the side effects and some none. Maybe he was unlucky but if it was that bad he would have stopped. It's all down to your genes, everyone handles it differently. Personally I'm not up for that kind of risk. I have seen some take it and look amazing for it and they are far in excess of the people with obvious bad side effects.
Oh and I'm calling him out on the weight... 205 to 208 eventually. Balls, the guy went from an easy 30%bf judging from what's behind his arm to maybe 14%. you can see the gut poking out below his wrist. That's a load of lean mass to make up the gap.
The article seems sensationalist to me. He got every every side effect and anything that he did apparently happened over night. I got fed up reading how he woke up and something new and horrific had happened.
Never done roids and I doubt I would. Some people get all the side effects and some none. Maybe he was unlucky but if it was that bad he would have stopped. It's all down to your genes, everyone handles it differently. Personally I'm not up for that kind of risk. I have seen some take it and look amazing for it and they are far in excess of the people with obvious bad side effects.
Oh and I'm calling him out on the weight... 205 to 208 eventually. Balls, the guy went from an easy 30%bf judging from what's behind his arm to maybe 14%. you can see the gut poking out below his wrist. That's a load of lean mass to make up the gap.
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