M6 died on me today...
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Was driving along, when a message popped up with 'transmission failure', telling me that gear selections and acceleration would be affected. Then it told me I wouldn't be able to restart when I turned off the engine so to continue journey to BMW dealership in limp mode. Then the gears just flashed at me and wouldn't change. I lost all power and cruised to a halt, felt like it stalled at 5-0mph. Then it wouldn't restart. Emergency Assist came to help and couldn't get the car in neutral, so couldn't start it. In the end it's been towed to BMW with a suspected gearbox fault.
Any ideas?
Here is the poor little so and so.
Any ideas?
Here is the poor little so and so.
ecain63 said:
Clutch failure as a result of wear! Pure and simple.
The clutches are self adjusting so you never get the telltale slippage you get in a manual when its worn. It just gets to the end of its adjustable life and bang, fail! A new clutch, fly, bush and bearing will cure all.
Eddie
Had a new clutch 6 months ago / 2000 miles at a cost of 3.5k. They wouldn't do that under warranty but if it's the clutch again then I should imagine it will be arguable!The clutches are self adjusting so you never get the telltale slippage you get in a manual when its worn. It just gets to the end of its adjustable life and bang, fail! A new clutch, fly, bush and bearing will cure all.
Eddie
Soovy said:
Ouch!
Big bill coming sadly, chum.
Well, it's under the comprehensive BMW warranty...what could really be wrong with the gearbox that wouldn't be covered by that? I was warned at the dealer that they would ask me to approve any extended exploratory work like removing the gearbox in case it wasn't covered...to which I expressed disbelief that anything could not be covered in terms of the gearbox. BMW emergency assist boys didn't believe it was clutch related despite my fears since the new clutch it needed recently.Big bill coming sadly, chum.
OP - very sorry to hear of the issue, sure BMW will cover it under warranty, especially as they have been dicking about in the 'box area recently. Good luck
On a side note though - WTF is it with SMG systems? They have been problematic ever since they first raised their ugly head in the E36. I wouldn't have an SMG equipped car given to me never mind buy one; I think I'd just be worrying every time I drove it.
On a side note though - WTF is it with SMG systems? They have been problematic ever since they first raised their ugly head in the E36. I wouldn't have an SMG equipped car given to me never mind buy one; I think I'd just be worrying every time I drove it.
magnus911 said:
ecain63 said:
Clutch failure as a result of wear! Pure and simple.
The clutches are self adjusting so you never get the telltale slippage you get in a manual when its worn. It just gets to the end of its adjustable life and bang, fail! A new clutch, fly, bush and bearing will cure all.
Eddie
Had a new clutch 6 months ago / 2000 miles at a cost of 3.5k. They wouldn't do that under warranty but if it's the clutch again then I should imagine it will be arguable!The clutches are self adjusting so you never get the telltale slippage you get in a manual when its worn. It just gets to the end of its adjustable life and bang, fail! A new clutch, fly, bush and bearing will cure all.
Eddie
I still think it'll be a shattered clutch, but seeing as its only 2k old its probably catastrophic failure rather than wear. its not the first time an M5 or M6s had spat a new clutch due to bad fitment or poor balance.
Keep us informed,
Eddie
magnus911 said:
ecain63 said:
Clutch failure as a result of wear! Pure and simple.
The clutches are self adjusting so you never get the telltale slippage you get in a manual when its worn. It just gets to the end of its adjustable life and bang, fail! A new clutch, fly, bush and bearing will cure all.
Eddie
Had a new clutch 6 months ago / 2000 miles at a cost of 3.5k. They wouldn't do that under warranty but if it's the clutch again then I should imagine it will be arguable!The clutches are self adjusting so you never get the telltale slippage you get in a manual when its worn. It just gets to the end of its adjustable life and bang, fail! A new clutch, fly, bush and bearing will cure all.
Eddie
I still think it'll be a shattered clutch, but seeing as its only 2k old its probably catastrophic failure rather than wear. its not the first time an M5 or M6s had spat a new clutch due to bad fitment or poor balance.
Keep us informed,
Eddie
My E60 M5 did exactly the same at 5,000 miles old!!! Had to sit by the side of the road for 4hours to be recovered as it was stuck in gear and couldn't be "pulled" onto a trailer as I was told it would knacker the engine so had to wait for someone with skates!!!
If I remember rightly it was a pump problem was in for a week or so then never went wrong again, did they get your car on the low loader using skates or by pulling it? I was told by a tech pulling it would send all the engine timing out and more than likely bounce a valve or worse on start up???
If I remember rightly it was a pump problem was in for a week or so then never went wrong again, did they get your car on the low loader using skates or by pulling it? I was told by a tech pulling it would send all the engine timing out and more than likely bounce a valve or worse on start up???
David 997t said:
My E60 M5 did exactly the same at 5,000 miles old!!! Had to sit by the side of the road for 4hours to be recovered as it was stuck in gear and couldn't be "pulled" onto a trailer as I was told it would knacker the engine so had to wait for someone with skates!!!
If I remember rightly it was a pump problem was in for a week or so then never went wrong again, did they get your car on the low loader using skates or by pulling it? I was told by a tech pulling it would send all the engine timing out and more than likely bounce a valve or worse on start up???
They stuck it on skates to drag it up, still made some uncomfortable noises though! It's at Stewart Road, Battersea if anyone has anything to say about them. They seem like quite a significant centre but they're BMW owned which makes me wonder if they try harder to squirm out of warranty jobs. If I remember rightly it was a pump problem was in for a week or so then never went wrong again, did they get your car on the low loader using skates or by pulling it? I was told by a tech pulling it would send all the engine timing out and more than likely bounce a valve or worse on start up???
I remember being told by all my friends how 'bullet-proof' a BMW warranty is, but I got a lot of disclaimers from the guy checking it in yesterday. Telling me if they have to remove the gearbox etc I'll have to pre-approve the charges as they may end up not being covered by warranty. Got me a little worried to be honest!
magnus911 said:
Telling me if they have to remove the gearbox etc I'll have to pre-approve the charges as they may end up not being covered by warranty. Got me a little worried to be honest!
Isn't that to cover themselves if they remove the gearbox, only to find something silly like you've filled it full of Ribena?Watching this thread with interest, as still on the M3 / M6 fence so how BMW handle this is important to me.
Why oh why didn't BMW offer a decent manual gearbox (not the crap the US got)
magnus911 said:
They stuck it on skates to drag it up, still made some uncomfortable noises though! It's at Stewart Road, Battersea if anyone has anything to say about them. They seem like quite a significant centre but they're BMW owned which makes me wonder if they try harder to squirm out of warranty jobs.
I remember being told by all my friends how 'bullet-proof' a BMW warranty is, but I got a lot of disclaimers from the guy checking it in yesterday. Telling me if they have to remove the gearbox etc I'll have to pre-approve the charges as they may end up not being covered by warranty. Got me a little worried to be honest!
For what it's worth, I've found the chaps at Stewart Road to be very efficient. No cause for complaint. I've only had routine work done by them, mind you, not major warranty stuff.I remember being told by all my friends how 'bullet-proof' a BMW warranty is, but I got a lot of disclaimers from the guy checking it in yesterday. Telling me if they have to remove the gearbox etc I'll have to pre-approve the charges as they may end up not being covered by warranty. Got me a little worried to be honest!
And as others have said, the disclaimers are standard practice in case they open it up and discover you've let local school kids use it as their technology project or you've stuffed the gearbox full of coke (or whatever).
David 997t said:
My E60 M5 did exactly the same at 5,000 miles old!!! Had to sit by the side of the road for 4hours to be recovered as it was stuck in gear and couldn't be "pulled" onto a trailer as I was told it would knacker the engine so had to wait for someone with skates!!!
If I remember rightly it was a pump problem was in for a week or so then never went wrong again, did they get your car on the low loader using skates or by pulling it? I was told by a tech pulling it would send all the engine timing out and more than likely bounce a valve or worse on start up???
Thanks for your input David, seems it is in fact the exact same problem. I hope this is the only time it happens!If I remember rightly it was a pump problem was in for a week or so then never went wrong again, did they get your car on the low loader using skates or by pulling it? I was told by a tech pulling it would send all the engine timing out and more than likely bounce a valve or worse on start up???
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