That RAF advert
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craigjm said:
You are missing something. All military missions are designed with minimal loss of life in mind. Military force, certainly in a British sense is not about splashing as much claret as possible as thats not how you win wars.
At least that's the offical line anyway, what actually happens more often than not is the Americans shoot 1st as their rules of engagement are more free to interpretation. I know which method I'm in favour of...
DanDC5 said:
At least that's the offical line anyway, what actually happens more often than not is the Americans shoot 1st as their rules of engagement are more free to interpretation. I know which method I'm in favour of...
I go back to my point. Winning a war is not about killing the most people thats not how you get the upper hand. Military combat is, and quite rightly should be, about strategy to force the enemy into surrender by disabling their capabilities. Winning the war is only the first step in victory as you have to deal with the aftermath and if you have killed millions in a scorched earth type policy that is impossible.Anyone who thinks you win wars by mass killings has been watching far too many Hollywood films and has probably been nowhere near such situations themselves.
Simpo Two said:
The idea that you just disable their gun/bomb/sword/brick and let them go off to get another one is patently ridiculous.
It's no more ridiculous than thinking killing as many of them as possible is going to achieve a result. All that serves is to give their family and friends a damn good incentive to join the fight.durbster said:
It's no more ridiculous than thinking killing as many of them as possible is going to achieve a result. All that serves is to give their family and friends a damn good incentive to join the fight.
Finally, someone else who hasn't got the sensibility of an american film.craigjm said:
I go back to my point. Winning a war is not about killing the most people thats not how you get the upper hand. Military combat is, and quite rightly should be, about strategy to force the enemy into surrender by disabling their capabilities. Winning the war is only the first step in victory as you have to deal with the aftermath and if you have killed millions in a scorched earth type policy that is impossible.
Anyone who thinks you win wars by mass killings has been watching far too many Hollywood films and has probably been nowhere near such situations themselves.
Well put. Anyone who thinks you win wars by mass killings has been watching far too many Hollywood films and has probably been nowhere near such situations themselves.
Err
We are not talking about "Mass Killings" in this instance though, are we?
Surely, having witnessed them setting up the weapon they are a legitimate target (so long as its not sitting right by a village/school/etc) if only to prevent them doing exactly the same thing the next day?
That advert is just pandering to PC BS for the sake of the TV audience and in no way reflects how the real world strike would take place
If NATO can so easily write off civilian "collateral damage" in surgical strikes, are they really likely to give two s
ts about a group of guys that have actually been witnessed setting up the weapon?
We are not talking about "Mass Killings" in this instance though, are we?
Surely, having witnessed them setting up the weapon they are a legitimate target (so long as its not sitting right by a village/school/etc) if only to prevent them doing exactly the same thing the next day?
That advert is just pandering to PC BS for the sake of the TV audience and in no way reflects how the real world strike would take place
If NATO can so easily write off civilian "collateral damage" in surgical strikes, are they really likely to give two s
ts about a group of guys that have actually been witnessed setting up the weapon?craigjm said:
Winning a war is not about killing the most people thats not how you get the upper hand.
Depends which war. Said tactic clearly did pretty well in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. If there were no environmental consequences I have little doubt that nuclear weapons would have been used many times since then (moral consequences to various combatant nations appear insignificant if you look at history).AngryApples said:
Err
We are not talking about "Mass Killings" in this instance though, are we?
Surely, having witnessed them setting up the weapon they are a legitimate target (so long as its not sitting right by a village/school/etc) if only to prevent them doing exactly the same thing the next day?
That advert is just pandering to PC BS for the sake of the TV audience and in no way reflects how the real world strike would take place
If NATO can so easily write off civilian "collateral damage" in surgical strikes, are they really likely to give two sts about a group of guys that have actually been witnessed setting up the weapon?
Good post.We are not talking about "Mass Killings" in this instance though, are we?
Surely, having witnessed them setting up the weapon they are a legitimate target (so long as its not sitting right by a village/school/etc) if only to prevent them doing exactly the same thing the next day?
That advert is just pandering to PC BS for the sake of the TV audience and in no way reflects how the real world strike would take place
If NATO can so easily write off civilian "collateral damage" in surgical strikes, are they really likely to give two s
ts about a group of guys that have actually been witnessed setting up the weapon?The advert is far too pc and thats what gets up my nose. I know people in the armed forces and the advert is not an accurate portrayal of their views.
durbster said:
Simpo Two said:
The idea that you just disable their gun/bomb/sword/brick and let them go off to get another one is patently ridiculous.
It's no more ridiculous than thinking killing as many of them as possible is going to achieve a result. All that serves is to give their family and friends a damn good incentive to join the fight.Gassing Station | TV, Film, Streaming & Radio | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff