And today's prize...
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Today's prize for positive spin has to go to this...
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/3574756.htm
Almost had me thinking about it!
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/3574756.htm
Almost had me thinking about it!
Ha Haa.
To be honest the truth of the matter is it probably will have been better maintained, as in warmed up properly before kaned unlike some idiots I've seen in london thrashing cars straight from cold. From the track days that I've been on I can say I have seen the drivers warm them up properly.
Thus begs the question would I buy it........well erm I prefer taxis this month.
;-).
To be honest the truth of the matter is it probably will have been better maintained, as in warmed up properly before kaned unlike some idiots I've seen in london thrashing cars straight from cold. From the track days that I've been on I can say I have seen the drivers warm them up properly.
Thus begs the question would I buy it........well erm I prefer taxis this month.
;-).
£91,000 spent with a £30,000 engine rebuild in 07. Whats the problem? It is what it is. Maybe it will sell at 27k or maybe less, it will find its own level and find a good home. As long as all the maintenance has been done with bills and receipts to prove, it should make a good keeper.
But to be fair it could well find its way back onto the market in a few years time, with a new reg and 16k miles on her
But to be fair it could well find its way back onto the market in a few years time, with a new reg and 16k miles on her
This is the best line for me...
"maintained obsessively by it's one and only UK keeper."
It's a one owner vehicle then...5,000 drivers, but one owner.
I love the 'glass half full' tone of the entire ad', but you'd have to sleep very well at night to take this on. Only someone who hasn't owned one would say that a £6,000 discount is a reasonable trade off for the mileage and past use.
On the other hand, if it was red...
"maintained obsessively by it's one and only UK keeper."
It's a one owner vehicle then...5,000 drivers, but one owner.
I love the 'glass half full' tone of the entire ad', but you'd have to sleep very well at night to take this on. Only someone who hasn't owned one would say that a £6,000 discount is a reasonable trade off for the mileage and past use.
On the other hand, if it was red...
I'd say it has been well used. Granted. I'd also say the following.
147k miles is testament to how robust these cars are in the first place. I'd be surprised if the "engine rebuild" was anything more than a few minor wear and tear peices. Plus, track driving places a lot of strain on components which break and are replaced, so lots of the usual issues with cars that haven' been used shouldn't be a problem.
I'm not surprised the interior is worn. Show me a car with 147k on it that looks brand new. It doesn't look farked in the photos and I very much doubt that a a little cash thrown at a trimmer and a reconnolistion specialist wouldn't have it looking brand new and in a lot better condition that most of the 355's I've seen, including owners on here.
If the suspension has been refreshed (which is likely), then its probably going to drive a lot tighter than most of the cars I've seen on here. I've yet to see an advertisement that says the bushes have been done or many threads from owners saying they've been done, yet we're talking about bushes that are 15 years old. Likewise all the other perishable components.
Anyone on here who buys or runs one of these and hasn't systematically replaced springs, suspension bushes, coolant and fuel hoses, radiators and all the other myriad things which any old cars need is frankly riding around in a tired, impending problem.
If you like yellow, weren't bothered about LHD and wanted to actually use the car, I'd bet that would make a cracking, trouble-free motor. God, you could probably negotiate most of the cost of a full seat retrim into the final price.
Just finally, not having a go at anyone on here, but peopel really need to stop getting hung up on age/mileage.
147k miles is testament to how robust these cars are in the first place. I'd be surprised if the "engine rebuild" was anything more than a few minor wear and tear peices. Plus, track driving places a lot of strain on components which break and are replaced, so lots of the usual issues with cars that haven' been used shouldn't be a problem.
I'm not surprised the interior is worn. Show me a car with 147k on it that looks brand new. It doesn't look farked in the photos and I very much doubt that a a little cash thrown at a trimmer and a reconnolistion specialist wouldn't have it looking brand new and in a lot better condition that most of the 355's I've seen, including owners on here.
If the suspension has been refreshed (which is likely), then its probably going to drive a lot tighter than most of the cars I've seen on here. I've yet to see an advertisement that says the bushes have been done or many threads from owners saying they've been done, yet we're talking about bushes that are 15 years old. Likewise all the other perishable components.
Anyone on here who buys or runs one of these and hasn't systematically replaced springs, suspension bushes, coolant and fuel hoses, radiators and all the other myriad things which any old cars need is frankly riding around in a tired, impending problem.
If you like yellow, weren't bothered about LHD and wanted to actually use the car, I'd bet that would make a cracking, trouble-free motor. God, you could probably negotiate most of the cost of a full seat retrim into the final price.
Just finally, not having a go at anyone on here, but peopel really need to stop getting hung up on age/mileage.
Cactussed said:
I'd be surprised if the "engine rebuild" was anything more than a few minor wear and tear peices.
You don't spend £30k on a few minor pieces. Even in Ferrariland. My Boxer engine rebuild was £20k and it has new pistons, new liners, new rings, new (almost) everything. 147k for a car that's driven to the rev limiter all the time is a lot. You can say what you will but these engines were not built for very high mileage. They are close to race-bred, and everyone knows that you can warm up an F1 engine slowly but it's not going to give you 20,000 miles. Regular use, a 355 can certainly go to 150k miles and, maybe, beyond. But pedal to the metal? Nope.My chief concern is that the engine rebuild was done already 5 years ago. Lord knows how many track miles were done since that day. It might be quite close to another rebuild.
My second concern is that this car has done nothing but hard cornering, and very, very likely seen a gravel trap or two (...hundred). This is never good for the structural rigidity of the car. I would be very surprised if the car is still straight.
Third - cosmetics are amongst the most expensive things to fix. So, if you want this car NOT to look like it's done 147k track miles, then the bill is steep.
Fourth - I know of many modern Ferraris that have been written off as a total loss after an accident but then are bought by a blissful unaware buyer after some unscrupulous guy has 'restored' it. It would not surprise me if this car had been crashed at some point and had the chassis straightened. I'm not saying this is the case, because I don't know, but I think the likelihood is there. If I see what people do on track days.....
Fifth - the argument that things have broken due to hard use and been replaced is really silly. Because it only means other things that have not yet been broken are going to break soon.
In short, I would not touch this car with a 10 foot pole. But - for people out there will to take the chance, there is the possibility that you can pick up a well driving 355 for little money. Personally, I think the likihood of being happy with the car is small. And you will struggle to sell it on again.
Onno
2 years ago a few ex-Silverstone Driving Experience 355's were up for sale. The adverts have long since been pulled but it would be interesting to find out what happened to those.
I tend to agree with Cactussed on these cars - especially if you wanted a 'driver'. It could be a very cheap entry point - the interior (which didn't look too bad to me) and the exterior could be tidied up over time.
I tend to agree with Cactussed on these cars - especially if you wanted a 'driver'. It could be a very cheap entry point - the interior (which didn't look too bad to me) and the exterior could be tidied up over time.
I got bored of writing a detailed reply. Lets assume its not bent.
I've had a full respray so know what it costs.
I've had the engine out of mine and had it apart so I know exactly what it costs.
I've done pretty much all the work on my car over the years, so I have some idea what needs doing to keep a 355 in good condition and what things cost.
I've also been lucky enough to see and drive a lot of 355's, so I have an idea of what a good car and a poor car is.
It's not a car for someone who wants a show car and/or wants to give it back to Ferrari to make it like new.
Its definitely worth a look for womeon who wants to drive it and isn't afraid to have a tinker.
I've had a full respray so know what it costs.
I've had the engine out of mine and had it apart so I know exactly what it costs.
I've done pretty much all the work on my car over the years, so I have some idea what needs doing to keep a 355 in good condition and what things cost.
I've also been lucky enough to see and drive a lot of 355's, so I have an idea of what a good car and a poor car is.
It's not a car for someone who wants a show car and/or wants to give it back to Ferrari to make it like new.
Its definitely worth a look for womeon who wants to drive it and isn't afraid to have a tinker.
Personally, I'd be tempted by something like this....
in fact the thing that bothers me the most is the colour!
high miles low price and a good history.
It would need checking very thoroughly but if it checked out as a straight car and if (as i tend to) I was doing a lot of miles then it would make a lot of sense to buy as a keeper.
might well check it out.
in fact the thing that bothers me the most is the colour!
high miles low price and a good history.
It would need checking very thoroughly but if it checked out as a straight car and if (as i tend to) I was doing a lot of miles then it would make a lot of sense to buy as a keeper.
might well check it out.
The perfect car someone who wants to use his/her ferrari daily/all year round - you wouldn't worry about leaving it anywhere nor worry about scratches/dents/ etc etc.
Buy this for a sensible price and get another/keep your existing nicer toys for best!
Shabby Chic !
By the way takes me back to Silverstone around 10 years ago - a Red LHD Berlinetta Parked in the pits - Rusty Wipers and the Rosso Paint was so peppered with stone chips it was almost a two tone car Rosso/Bianco (Undercoat!) and the interior - seen tidier skips! But somehow I thought - YES you have it spot on matey it looked as though climbing into that car and driving it would be like putting on a nice comfy old pair of Jeans/Shoes (or whatever cliche you want to use).
Hope someone buys it and drives the doors off it!
MF
Buy this for a sensible price and get another/keep your existing nicer toys for best!
Shabby Chic !
By the way takes me back to Silverstone around 10 years ago - a Red LHD Berlinetta Parked in the pits - Rusty Wipers and the Rosso Paint was so peppered with stone chips it was almost a two tone car Rosso/Bianco (Undercoat!) and the interior - seen tidier skips! But somehow I thought - YES you have it spot on matey it looked as though climbing into that car and driving it would be like putting on a nice comfy old pair of Jeans/Shoes (or whatever cliche you want to use).
Hope someone buys it and drives the doors off it!
MF
Harsh said:
Personally, I'd be tempted by something like this....
in fact the thing that bothers me the most is the colour!
high miles low price and a good history.
It would need checking very thoroughly but if it checked out as a straight car and if (as i tend to) I was doing a lot of miles then it would make a lot of sense to buy as a keeper.
might well check it out.
Actually, if it checks out, it could make a very good tour car, esp given its LHD.in fact the thing that bothers me the most is the colour!
high miles low price and a good history.
It would need checking very thoroughly but if it checked out as a straight car and if (as i tend to) I was doing a lot of miles then it would make a lot of sense to buy as a keeper.
might well check it out.
Cactussed said:
I'd say it has been well used. Granted. I'd also say the following.
147k miles is testament to how robust these cars are in the first place. I'd be surprised if the "engine rebuild" was anything more than a few minor wear and tear peices. Plus, track driving places a lot of strain on components which break and are replaced, so lots of the usual issues with cars that haven' been used shouldn't be a problem.
I'm not surprised the interior is worn. Show me a car with 147k on it that looks brand new. It doesn't look farked in the photos and I very much doubt that a a little cash thrown at a trimmer and a reconnolistion specialist wouldn't have it looking brand new and in a lot better condition that most of the 355's I've seen, including owners on here.
If the suspension has been refreshed (which is likely), then its probably going to drive a lot tighter than most of the cars I've seen on here. I've yet to see an advertisement that says the bushes have been done or many threads from owners saying they've been done, yet we're talking about bushes that are 15 years old. Likewise all the other perishable components.
Anyone on here who buys or runs one of these and hasn't systematically replaced springs, suspension bushes, coolant and fuel hoses, radiators and all the other myriad things which any old cars need is frankly riding around in a tired, impending problem.
If you like yellow, weren't bothered about LHD and wanted to actually use the car, I'd bet that would make a cracking, trouble-free motor. God, you could probably negotiate most of the cost of a full seat retrim into the final price.
Just finally, not having a go at anyone on here, but peopel really need to stop getting hung up on age/mileage.
You Cactussed are one of the few (especially on the specialist ferrari forum CS) along with Terry, ferrarispyder and stevew? Whose opinion and mechanical knowledge of the F355 i actually listen to and respect, as you know what you are talking about regarding this model ferrari.147k miles is testament to how robust these cars are in the first place. I'd be surprised if the "engine rebuild" was anything more than a few minor wear and tear peices. Plus, track driving places a lot of strain on components which break and are replaced, so lots of the usual issues with cars that haven' been used shouldn't be a problem.
I'm not surprised the interior is worn. Show me a car with 147k on it that looks brand new. It doesn't look farked in the photos and I very much doubt that a a little cash thrown at a trimmer and a reconnolistion specialist wouldn't have it looking brand new and in a lot better condition that most of the 355's I've seen, including owners on here.
If the suspension has been refreshed (which is likely), then its probably going to drive a lot tighter than most of the cars I've seen on here. I've yet to see an advertisement that says the bushes have been done or many threads from owners saying they've been done, yet we're talking about bushes that are 15 years old. Likewise all the other perishable components.
Anyone on here who buys or runs one of these and hasn't systematically replaced springs, suspension bushes, coolant and fuel hoses, radiators and all the other myriad things which any old cars need is frankly riding around in a tired, impending problem.
If you like yellow, weren't bothered about LHD and wanted to actually use the car, I'd bet that would make a cracking, trouble-free motor. God, you could probably negotiate most of the cost of a full seat retrim into the final price.
Just finally, not having a go at anyone on here, but peopel really need to stop getting hung up on age/mileage.
Well said
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