Appealing a PCN with a mistake on it - any lawyers etc???
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I've been posted a PCN for stopping in a loading bay. I remember this - engine idling outside Sainsburys for a few minutes whilst my passenger bought headache tablets. Fair cop!
However, the PCN states my car is black (it's actually green in colour and on the V5). Would I be likely to win an appeal on the grounds of this mistake? They have CCTV evidence so could easily prove I did stop there.
However, the PCN states my car is black (it's actually green in colour and on the V5). Would I be likely to win an appeal on the grounds of this mistake? They have CCTV evidence so could easily prove I did stop there.
snotrag said:
PCN = put it in the round file.
Dont phone, contact, or email them at all, to contest it or otherwise, just do nothing.
This would ultimately end in a court order, a big fine and quite a mess.Dont phone, contact, or email them at all, to contest it or otherwise, just do nothing.
Any lawyers or people in the know - is a minor mistake like a vehicle colour a valid reason to dispute a PCN issued by a Council?
Are you certain it was issued by the Council? A supermarket would normally have its loading bay on private property and enforce parking infringements using their own contractors.
I don't think the colour will get you off the hook. If its council issued the warden has probably taken a pic of the reg plate, and would argue that in some lights green can look black etc.
I don't think the colour will get you off the hook. If its council issued the warden has probably taken a pic of the reg plate, and would argue that in some lights green can look black etc.
Woah hang on, so were singing from the same hymm sheet - I'm fully aware that a proper, 'parking ticket' issued by the council is NOT something that goes in the bin...
But 'PCN would refer to the classic 'Parking Charge Invoice' as issued by 'car park security r-us' or suchlike...?
Are we talking about a proper, Warden issued parking ticket, or one of these private firms sticking bits of paper onto your car...?
But 'PCN would refer to the classic 'Parking Charge Invoice' as issued by 'car park security r-us' or suchlike...?
Are we talking about a proper, Warden issued parking ticket, or one of these private firms sticking bits of paper onto your car...?
blueg33 said:
Are you certain it was issued by the Council? A supermarket would normally have its loading bay on private property and enforce parking infringements using their own contractors.
I don't think the colour will get you off the hook. If its council issued the warden has probably taken a pic of the reg plate, and would argue that in some lights green can look black etc.
Yes, it is Wandsworth Council. It's a side street Magdalen Road in Earlsfield and is outside a small local local Sainsburys.I don't think the colour will get you off the hook. If its council issued the warden has probably taken a pic of the reg plate, and would argue that in some lights green can look black etc.
That makes sense - I've obviously done wrong so it's a fair cop, just annoying as I had no idea and I'm a stickler for abiding by road rules.
CIS121 said:
I've been posted a PCN for stopping in a loading bay. I remember this - engine idling outside Sainsburys for a few minutes whilst my passenger bought headache tablets. Fair cop!
However, the PCN states my car is black (it's actually green in colour and on the V5). Would I be likely to win an appeal on the grounds of this mistake? They have CCTV evidence so could easily prove I did stop there.
If they can prove that you committed the offence, then why do you think they'd let you off? Also, as above posters have said - it's definitely a council ticket?However, the PCN states my car is black (it's actually green in colour and on the V5). Would I be likely to win an appeal on the grounds of this mistake? They have CCTV evidence so could easily prove I did stop there.
snotrag said:
Woah hang on, so were singing from the same hymm sheet - I'm fully aware that a proper, 'parking ticket' issued by the council is NOT something that goes in the bin...
But 'PCN would refer to the classic 'Parking Charge Invoice' as issued by 'car park security r-us' or suchlike...?
Are we talking about a proper, Warden issued parking ticket, or one of these private firms sticking bits of paper onto your car...?
It's a PCN - an abbreviation I was using to refer to Penalty Charge Notice. It was issued by Wandsworth Council. Apologies, we both seem to have got crossed wires here!But 'PCN would refer to the classic 'Parking Charge Invoice' as issued by 'car park security r-us' or suchlike...?
Are we talking about a proper, Warden issued parking ticket, or one of these private firms sticking bits of paper onto your car...?
Yup, apologies -
The privately issued one I got once was a Parking Charge Notice... hence the confusion of what I thought PCN was referring to.
In which case - I'd suggest pay it.
My Dad has contested a 'proper' parking ticket once, on a similar technicality, and the only thing acheived was a doubling of the fine.
The privately issued one I got once was a Parking Charge Notice... hence the confusion of what I thought PCN was referring to.
In which case - I'd suggest pay it.
My Dad has contested a 'proper' parking ticket once, on a similar technicality, and the only thing acheived was a doubling of the fine.
I would ask them to define 'Loading'
snotrag said:
In which case - I'd suggest pay it.
My Dad has contested a 'proper' parking ticket once, on a similar technicality, and the only thing acheived was a doubling of the fine.
In my experience (could change between councils) when a penalty is under appeal, the payment window for "50% off" gets frozen, so you would not affect the amount of fine payable.My Dad has contested a 'proper' parking ticket once, on a similar technicality, and the only thing acheived was a doubling of the fine.
Edited by Robb F on Wednesday 15th February 12:21
Best of searching the sites like pepipoo for answers. I escaped a bus lane charge on the basis the form of notice was incorrectly stated, but that relates to the actual prescribed legal form of the notice rather than a error in the details of the vehicle. Had to take it all the way to the appeal board - 6 months or so! The council submitted about 100 pages or so evidence, I sent a one page letter. Thrown straight out. Utter waste of councils time and money...
snotrag said:
Yup, apologies -
The privately issued one I got once was a Parking Charge Notice... hence the confusion of what I thought PCN was referring to.
In which case - I'd suggest pay it.
My Dad has contested a 'proper' parking ticket once, on a similar technicality, and the only thing acheived was a doubling of the fine.
They should suspend the notice until the appeal is resolved, it might vary according to which lbc it is but Richmond notices allow you to take the discount rate rather rhan full whack on conclusion of the appeal as long as you hit the deadlines. Always worth a challenge I think, the form is usually wrong on one technicality or another...The privately issued one I got once was a Parking Charge Notice... hence the confusion of what I thought PCN was referring to.
In which case - I'd suggest pay it.
My Dad has contested a 'proper' parking ticket once, on a similar technicality, and the only thing acheived was a doubling of the fine.
I've now photographed the site - I wasn't even in the waiting bay, but stopepd on double yellows.
My passenger got out for about 5 minutes, I waited behind the wheel and never left the car. The offence is:
parked or loading/unloading in a restricted street where waiting and loading/unloading restrictions are in force
I am guilty of stopping on double yellows but don't think I'm guilty of the offence they've listed as I wasn't parked, loading or unloading. From where I parked the unloading sign wasn't even readable as it's slanted at an angle. Advice please if anyone understands these technicalities?
My passenger got out for about 5 minutes, I waited behind the wheel and never left the car. The offence is:
parked or loading/unloading in a restricted street where waiting and loading/unloading restrictions are in force
I am guilty of stopping on double yellows but don't think I'm guilty of the offence they've listed as I wasn't parked, loading or unloading. From where I parked the unloading sign wasn't even readable as it's slanted at an angle. Advice please if anyone understands these technicalities?
Edited by CIS121 on Thursday 16th February 09:17
Edited by CIS121 on Thursday 16th February 09:18
jamei303 said:
The sign doesn't say "No waiting"
It doesn't need to - double yellow lines mean no waiting at any time.http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Hig...
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