Help - NiP received today

[TreVoR 3000]

Hello

Feeling depressed. Got caught by a scamera van on the A9 near Dunblane last week - long straight stretch of dual carriageway with no slip roads or junctions at that point.

Can anyone guess what I am likely to get for 93 in a 70 in Scotland. Can only find details of ACPO guidelines relating to England & Wales but nothing relating to Scotland. Will this be a £60/3 points job or will I be up before the sheriff?

1st speeding offence in over 15 years

[gone]

Probably a provisional offer of FPT.
I think you are just under the target threshold for prosecution at court through summons.

[Buffalo]

I got done by a fixed camera on that road a few years back. 83 in a 60mph (dual carriageway just closed to a single, with white hashing on the outside lane). I got 3pts and £60 fine. That was 2001 mind, not sure if different now.

[Dwight VanDriver]

IIRC ACPO Guidelines also apply to Scotland (all chums together as Association of Chief Police Officers)

You are 3 mph under the Court appearance speed so should, I repeat should, for Scottish Law has traits differing from England, get a Conditional Offer for 60/3.

DVD

[TreVoR 3000]

Thanks guys

One other Q - at what point do I have to notify my insurer? Now or once I've received details of the fine

Seems to me at this stage it is just a notification of "intention" to prosecute which means they might not (fat chance I know)

[Streetcop]

If/When they convict you...then tell your insurance firm...

That is of course if your insurance isn't going to need renewing soon.
If you have to renew your firm, most will ask if you have any convictions 'Pending'...you must then cough to this saga..

Street

[Deester]

TreVoR 3000 said:

Hello Feeling depressed. Got caught by a scamera van on the A9 near Dunblane last week - long straight stretch of dual carriageway with no slip roads or junctions at that point. Can anyone guess what I am likely to get for 93 in a 70 in Scotland. Can only find details of ACPO guidelines relating to England & Wales but nothing relating to Scotland. Will this be a £60/3 points job or will I be up before the sheriff? 1st speeding offence in over 15 years

I know the road very well! There are several cameras on this stretch, one of which is nicely positioned behind a large signpost completely out of sight.

[NugentS]

At least consider fighting the scum

Goto www.pepipoo.com and have a look at your options....

Sean

[kiwi_in_abd]

I got caugh by vascar doing 89.3 on a 60 road in Abeerdenshire.

Cops reported me to the Procurator Fiscal, he came back with an offer 3pts & £60 or go to Court. You can imagine which one I took !

[TreVoR 3000]

Deester

I know the road well too but no matter how well we know the fixed camera positions there is no way we can predict unmarked vans parked in laybys with no advance warning. By the time I saw the feint red/yellow stripes on the back it was far too late.

NugentS

Pepipoo mentions lots about ACPO and Magistrates but nothing about ACPOS or Sheriffs. I do not want to rely on English Law as Scots Law is different. TBH if I am just going to get 3 points and £60 then I will hold my hands up and take it rather than fight it and risk worse if I fail. It's just the principal that bugs me of the money grabbing attitude of an unmarked video van. I'm not even aware of that particular stretch being dangerous - as above it's a long straight and slightly downhill. Anyone that thinks these vans reduce accidents should ask the driver of the Renault behind me when I slammed the brakes on when I finally saw the van and realised what it was. It's an automatic reaction seen at every fixed camera - Oops camera brake hard, even cars doing less than the limit slam their brakes on

The shock of receiving the envelope, reading the speed and then having to show my wife was actually enough of a deterrent never mind the fine and points!!

Is my insurance likely to go up for one offence (with Norwich Union)?

[mcflurry]

TreVoR 3000 said:

Is my insurance likely to go up for one offence (with Norwich Union)?

probably not by much/at all if your only decoration is an SPxx

[Dwight VanDriver]

Trevor.

Just re=checked re Scottish Law on Conditional Offer.
Section 75 Road Traffic Offenders Act 88 makes similar conditions to that in England except that your offer will come no less than from... roll of drums and trumpet fanfare..... the Procurator Fiscal.
Paid within 28 days and all done and dusted.

Really bad boys, I understand go to the District Court for whom special dispensation is given to deal with offences involving obligatory endorsement from a C.O.

DVD

[DeMolay]

Hi Trevor,

Can you tell me SPECIFICALLY where this was. I just happen to know that Tayside police work according to the ACPO guidelines.

[DeMolay]

Deester said:

TreVoR 3000 said: Hello Feeling depressed. Got caught by a scamera van on the A9 near Dunblane last week - long straight stretch of dual carriageway with no slip roads or junctions at that point. Can anyone guess what I am likely to get for 93 in a 70 in Scotland. Can only find details of ACPO guidelines relating to England & Wales but nothing relating to Scotland. Will this be a £60/3 points job or will I be up before the sheriff? 1st speeding offence in over 15 years I know the road very well! There are several cameras on this stretch, one of which is nicely positioned behind a large signpost completely out of sight.

It used to be, but because of the recent outcry, the sign it was hiding behind was moved 5ft to the left!

[TreVoR 3000]

DeMolay

It was about 2 to 3 miles short of the Dunblane roundabout heading back to Glasgow near Allan Water. Stirling Police.

The fixed cameras between Dunblane and Perth I can at least accept are at accident blackspots. This was a poorly marked video van in a layby with no advance warning on a long straight stretch between 5 and 6 pm on a Tuesday evening - Only one reason for that and that's to make money.

[TreVor 3000]

Jeez, not only do they want to raise lots of money but they want it quickly too. NIP received Monday, Conditional Offer received today.

Still, at least it's not a summons