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Streetcop said:
I'm not taking it, incidentally and never have. With the wife being a copper, my desire for the little extra cash hasn't bitten me yet..
Street
Take some advice from one whose nose is grey SC and get to it. Remarkable how that brown envelope once a month in retirement helps towards a good life.
According to the runes Pensions are going to be hit by the time you retire. Invest in Rank and a higher Pension
DVD
JohnL said:
Do you all take the same exam at the same time in the same place?
What's the pass rate?
If you pass do you automatically get promoted?
Just curious!
1. No. The exam is taken all over the country at various establishments but it is done at exactly the same time.
2. The pass mark was reduced this March drom 70% to 55%
3. Having passed part 1 (law) 150 multi guess questions in 3 hours, you have to go on to do the farcical part 2 where you act out 7 incidents designed to test your resolve as a newly promoted Sgt/Insp. Each station has 6 minutes preparation and 5 minutes to resolve. It is hugely based on technique (someone who understands the system and is not a Police Officer could pass the tests if they know what to do
) 4. If you are better than 65% of the rest of the candidates that take part 2, you are qualified.
5. You then have to apply for a promotion board where you sit in front of senior officers and they again test your resolve!
6. If you impress, then they promote, if you don't then they do not.
I have passed part 1 twice.
Part 2 has eluded me 3 times, You used to get 2 shots at part 2 in 5 years.Failure to pass within the two attempts means going back to the law books to do the whole thing again. They have now increased the number of attempts at part 2 to X3 in 5 years. ACPO are unhappy about part 2 because it has become a science and does not test the abilities of someone to become a practical efficient Sgt/Insp.
Currently there are trials across the country with various forces to establish a work based assessment over a 6 month period which has to be evidenced by the applicant whilst he/she is temporarily promoted.
CENTREX (Police training and Development) are unhappy with this as there are many that work within CENTREX that have very lucrative businesses teraching the techniques involved in passing part 2.
Part 2 is pants. It is completely unreal. You cannot even mention things like 'Nitty Gritty' or other coloquial sayings if they are considered to be offensive or from an era where there was a hint of political correctness breached.
You cannot say Headmaster even if the role actor is male and the head of a school You have to say Head teacher!
You cannot say 'man hole' cover as this excludes women.
You cannot say chairman, manpower, etc as this is exclusionary.
There is often a 3rd party referred to in the station who is called Alex, Jo, Hilary etc. If you are not careful and refer to them in either gender, you are penalised because you are making assumptions!!!!
Experience counts for nothing. They are looking for carefully groomed politically correct clones that will not drop a clanger if they are given the responsibility of staff management roles.
Part 2 stinks (my considerable biased opinion having been through the mill so many times now)
Dwight VanDriver said:
I'm not taking it, incidentally and never have. With the wife being a copper, my desire for the little extra cash hasn't bitten me yet..
Street
Take some advice from one whose nose is grey SC and get to it. Remarkable how that brown envelope once a month in retirement helps towards a good life.
According to the runes Pensions are going to be hit by the time you retire. Invest in Rank and a higher Pension
DVD
Hi DVD,
I think the pension idea would be the reason that I look towards retirement. My wife has 12 years to retirement and I have 19..(I've done 7 years and carried 6 years non-contributary military pension over)...
Street
gone said:
Part 2 is pants. It is completely unreal. You cannot even mention things like 'Nitty Gritty' or other coloquial sayings if they are considered to be offensive or from an era where there was a hint of political correctness breached.
You cannot say Headmaster even if the role actor is male and the head of a school You have to say Head teacher!
You cannot say 'man hole' cover as this excludes women.
You cannot say chairman, manpower, etc as this is exclusionary.
There is often a 3rd party referred to in the station who is called Alex, Jo, Hilary etc. If you are not careful and refer to them in either gender, you are penalised because you are making assumptions!!!!
I'd like to say "you're joking" but it's all to credible
What's wrong with "Nitty Gritty"?
I assume you're not allowed to be a "policeman" either?
Incidentally, irrelevantly, I always think the non-discriminatory (I was going to say PC but that would get confusing!) version of "Postman" should be "Postie"
JohnL said:
I'd like to say "you're joking" but it's all to credible
What's wrong with "Nitty Gritty"?
'Nitty Gritty' is a saying which has evolved from the Slave Trade. It referred to the women who were transported in the ships hold amongst the ballast to keep the ship steady. This was usually sand. The women were generally infected with Lice and other verminous conditions from their long voyage.
The term 'nitty gritty' was used by those who chose to exploit the 'wares' of the women from the ships hold hence "Getting down to the nitty gritty"!
This has been deemed as offensive to people from Black African origins and is therefore unacceptable language.
I assume you're not allowed to be a "policeman" either?
Incidentally, irrelevantly, I always think the non-discriminatory (I was going to say PC but that would get confusing!) version of "Postman" should be "Postie"
[/quote] >> Edited by gone on Wednesday 14th July 05:04
Part 1. you can live with, get the knowledge into your head, and answer questions to see how much you have retained.
Part 2. Scenario's and what if's. In my view part 2 is a problem. I'm not an actor, can deal with day to day operational problems in a straightforward way.
As Gone has said, the process favours those that are extremely good at studying and retaining information, which isn't a bad thing, but operational coal face experience doesn't count.
Or maybe I'm just not very good at retaining largely irrelevant information that I will no doubt never need in the remainder of my police career.
"Arse" - My view on the subject at the moment...
gone said:
"Getting down to the nitty gritty"!
This has been deemed as offensive to people from Black African origins and is therefore unacceptable language.
The sad thing about this, is 90% of black people were unaware of the origins of the phrase until the white/middleclass political correct brigade dug it up. Black people have been using the phrase alongside white people for years without anybody taking offence. Then, some woolly jumpered, lentil sucking liberal digs up some history and finds another way to cause offence and drive the races further apart...Blinder!
Street
>> Edited by Streetcop on Wednesday 14th July 09:56
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