track brake pads ebc yellowstuff? alternatives?

[nickson]

currently prepping porsche 944 s2 for track day use.
looking into track pads for greater braking and more importantly reducing fade

can get ebc yellowstuff for £73 per axle.

can any1 else recommend another option they have experience with without breaking the bank

thanks
nick

[V8mate]

Have you already fitted braided brake hoses and a high performance brake fluid?

[ollie854]

Ive got Ferodo ds2500 on my clio 172.

[nickson]

yes dont worry lines and fluid already done mate.

[mmm-five]

The EBC bluestuffs are better than the yellows, and there are orangestuff pads for race use.

Just depends whether they're available in your fitment.

Both about 10% more expensive than yellows last time I checked.

[HustleRussell]

I have been consistently disappointed by EBC brake products, I prefer Ferodo and Mintex.

[nickson]

already seem to be getting bad reviews on ebc from various forums!

performance frictions seem to be good at £80 per axle set for my application, and i have heard very good reviews!

pagid race specs are the best but your looking £200 per axle

[V8mate]

HustleRussell said:

I have been consistently disappointed by EBC brake products, I prefer Ferodo and Mintex.

I think it's important to consider the weight of your car as well as the use before choosing pads.

I ran EBC (grooved and dimpled) discs and Bluestuff pads on my E36 last year and they lasted half a dozen trackdays. Very happy and will be fitting the same again this year.

[mmm-five]

My yellowstuffs in my standard 1500kg Z4MC lasted about 30,000 miles of combined track (mainly the 'Ring and Oulton Park), hooning (regular 250 mile jaunts into Wales), and general commuting duties (500 miles/week).

Only ever had brake fade once on track with them, and that was in my e34 M5 about 10 years ago.

Just put a set of bluestuffs as they are supposedly better, and cost almost the same.

I suppose it depends whether you drive at 9/10ths like me, or 11/10ths - or maybe need to learn how to not be the last of the late breakers - it's only a track day after all

[HustleRussell]

V8mate said:

HustleRussell said:

I have been consistently disappointed by EBC brake products, I prefer Ferodo and Mintex.

I think it's important to consider the weight of your car as well as the use before choosing pads.

Fair comment, although I must stress that my gripe isn't necessarily with the outright performance, but the amount of dust, the lack of consistency and longevity and dodgy bonding on one set I bought.

OP- honestly, take a look at Mintex. Where EBC have spent money on marketing, Mintex have spent on making a range of excellent fast road and track pads, which will be significantly less expensive than pagids and far more tolerable on the road.

P.S. the EBC 'marketing' statement is probably false, that's just my overriding impression.

[V8mate]

mmm-five said:

I suppose it depends whether you drive at 9/10ths like me, or 11/10ths - or maybe need to learn how to not be the last of the late breakers - it's only a track day after all

Braking hard and short will deliver better braking and less heat ... so less fade.

[trackracer]

pagid blues all the time,proper thing forget everything else,expensive but will neverletyou down !!! try bremsen technik @ york i know historic group c racers who use these as well no issues at all .

[cwin]

carbon lorraine rc6, proberly the best value pad on the market imo.

[NTEL]

I've tried out a few compounds and now only use Mintex F4R. They are a little expensive but they don't wear anywhere near as much as other compounds and the stopping power is fantastic even from cold. Never had any fade issues either.

[mmm-five]

V8mate said:

Braking hard and short will deliver better braking and less heat ... so less fade.

Exactly!

Plus you get maximum cooling effect at the higher speeds.

But I wonder how many track drivers - who complain about useless OEM/EBC/Ferodo/Mintex pads - brake soft initially and then press harder & harder when they realise they're not slowing down enough, as they'd not scrubbed enough speed off early in the braking phase? This also means the car is not as well balanced as it could be, and you've got nothing left if you find you do need to brake a little more.

I find throwing the car into the corner sideways slows it down a fair bit too!

[gruffalo]

I had EBC red stuff pads on teh Cerb and they were the weak point on the car, Pagid or Carbon Lorraine seem the way to go, I am on pagids now and they are simply brilliant.

[mmm-five]

gruffalo said:

I had EBC red stuff pads on teh Cerb and they were the weak point on the car, Pagid or Carbon Lorraine seem the way to go, I am on pagids now and they are simply brilliant.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe Redstuff are marketed as a track/race pad, just a low dust option for OE performance.

[wy906]

mmm-five said:

Exactly!

Plus you get maximum cooling effect at the higher speeds.

But I wonder how many track drivers - who complain about useless OEM/EBC/Ferodo/Mintex pads - brake soft initially and then press harder & harder when they realise they're not slowing down enough, as they'd not scrubbed enough speed off early in the braking phase? This also means the car is not as well balanced as it could be, and you've got nothing left if you find you do need to brake a little more.

Would you recommend the same technique (i.e. hard and firm for short period) if my priority is to reduce pads wear?

Thanks.

[mmm-five]

wy906 said:

Would you recommend the same technique (i.e. hard and firm for short period) if my priority is to reduce pads wear?

Thanks.

Yes, because you're on the pedal for a shorter time overall, and keeping the pad/disc cooler, which stops the pad/disc overheating, the pad crumbling and the disc having uneven pad deposits over it which can cause an effect with feels like a warped disc (but isn't).

[wy906]

^^^^ Ok thanks! My car is due for MOT straight after two track days and I’m hoping the pads would last for the two track days thus not having to change the pads after the first track day. (Front right pad is a bit thin)