Remapping and insurance premiums?!
Remapping and insurance premiums?!
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antoniodias7777

Original Poster:

18 posts

172 months

Monday 20th February 2012
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What happens if I remap my car and happen to have an accident? Is it possible my insurance company will raise problems to pay because I failed to inform them??
Thanks!!

TheEnd

15,370 posts

214 months

Monday 20th February 2012
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Possible but unlikely.
If they would cover you, they might just ask for the extra in the premium that you would have paid, but in most cases, they won't be checking.

TorqueTalk

208 posts

178 months

Monday 20th February 2012
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If it's not declared, in the event of a claim your insurance policy could be considered invalid - leading to all sorts of problems.

Edited by TorqueTalk on Monday 20th February 22:45

Bumble SV

248 posts

232 months

Monday 20th February 2012
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TorqueTalk said:
If it's not declared, in the event of a claim your insurance policy could be considered invalid - leading to all sorts of problems.

Edited by TorqueTalk on Monday 20th February 22:45
+1. And if not insured, then you're driving illegally. Not worth the risk.

My remap results in an extra £100pa so small cost really.

omniflow

3,698 posts

177 months

Tuesday 21st February 2012
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TheEnd said:
Possible but unlikely.
If they would cover you, they might just ask for the extra in the premium that you would have paid, but in most cases, they won't be checking.
This is a bit of a dangerous thing to post.

It's blatantly untrue, and could get the OP into a serious amount of trouble.

Whilst I agree it's by no means certain that they'll find out. If they DO find out they will invalidate your cover.

pjv997

668 posts

208 months

Tuesday 21st February 2012
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When taking out cover, you are asked the specific question - "is your car modified in anyway?"

Failure to declare remap is clearly incorrect and, as stated above, would invalidate your insurance.

LordHaveMurci

12,330 posts

195 months

Tuesday 21st February 2012
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And once again we ask the question, what if the car was remapped before you purchased it and you genuinely had no idea?

antoniodias7777

Original Poster:

18 posts

172 months

Tuesday 21st February 2012
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I guess I should be giving them a call then!lol..I mean I can always take my remap and put it back to original no?

Cheib

25,242 posts

201 months

Tuesday 21st February 2012
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LordHaveMurci said:
And once again we ask the question, what if the car was remapped before you purchased it and you genuinely had no idea?
Don't think it changes anything to be honest. You'd a) have to prove you didn't know and b) I suspect they would argue that you should do the necessary checks. Buyer beware etc.

Similar sitaution would be if you buy a house that has a history of subsidence and you didn't declare it on a buildings insurance premium? It's up to you to know what it's history is I think.


Big E 118

2,468 posts

195 months

Tuesday 21st February 2012
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Depends on how much risk you wish to take with your money. It's unlikely but your insurers could refuse to pay out and you'll be out of pocket £30k+ if you're driving an M3. For the sake of a few quid a year I'd prefer not to take the risk.

Interestingly I phoned my insurer (Tesco Bank) and asked how much my premiums will increase when I upgrade my exhaust. They told me they do not class exhaust changes as modifying, even with weight and power upgrades so do not charge an increased premium. Bonus!

jm doc

2,934 posts

258 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2012
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Cheib said:
LordHaveMurci said:
And once again we ask the question, what if the car was remapped before you purchased it and you genuinely had no idea?
Don't think it changes anything to be honest. You'd a) have to prove you didn't know and b) I suspect they would argue that you should do the necessary checks. Buyer beware etc.

Similar sitaution would be if you buy a house that has a history of subsidence and you didn't declare it on a buildings insurance premium? It's up to you to know what it's history is I think.
Not a lawyer but think they would have to prove you did it if the car was bought second or third hand. Essentially what you are saying is that every buyer of a used car should have the engine mapping checked in case it has been remapped. I don't think any court would agree that this was a reasonable proposition.

helix402

7,913 posts

208 months

Friday 24th February 2012
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Not suggesting anyone break the law, but:

1. How would an insurer know your car is remapped?

2. Why would they check it was remapped?

3. How would they check if it's remapped?


omniflow

3,698 posts

177 months

Friday 24th February 2012
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For a normally aspirated car a remap will generally raise the rev limit.

Insurers will check to avoid paying out.

Because they can.

TheEnd

15,370 posts

214 months

Friday 24th February 2012
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Have they ever?
Do they know the redline?

Ever seen a redline moved on a diesel?

omniflow

3,698 posts

177 months

Saturday 25th February 2012
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TheEnd said:
Ever seen a redline moved on a diesel?
What Forum is this?

TheEnd

15,370 posts

214 months

Saturday 25th February 2012
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http://www.pistonheads.com

There's a bar at the top of the screen.

omniflow

3,698 posts

177 months

Saturday 25th February 2012
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TheEnd said:
http://www.pistonheads.com

There's a bar at the top of the screen.
I'm not entirely sure why you're trying to be so "clever".

The OP asked a question which implied he was thinking of not declaring a remap to his insurance company. Someone else told him it was no big deal. I suggested that it would be unwise, and now you're getting all "smart" on me. I really don't understand why.

Personally I have absolutely zero interest in diesel cars, and I did think that posting in the M Power section it was something I didn't need to bother covering in my response.

When I had an accident a few years ago (hit from behind in slow moving traffic) the insurance company sent an assessor to look at my car. They inspected it quite thoroughly, including checking the tread depth and general condition of all the tyres, and spent probably an hour going over my car.

If you want to not bother declaring mods to your insurance company, then go right ahead, but whilst you're at it you should probably go for 3rd party only cover and save even more cash.

TheEnd

15,370 posts

214 months

Saturday 25th February 2012
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omniflow said:
When I had an accident a few years ago (hit from behind in slow moving traffic) the insurance company sent an assessor to look at my car. They inspected it quite thoroughly, including checking the tread depth and general condition of all the tyres, and spent probably an hour going over my car.
But he didn't rev the engine to check to see if the limiter was moved, or if it was remapped.
Generally the advice is yes, tell your insurance company.
If you can afford £300-400 for a remap, then you can afford the 50-60 quid on insurance, but so far I've yet to head of an insurance company searching for a remap or invalidating the insurance because of it.

andygtt

8,345 posts

290 months

Sunday 26th February 2012
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Why not go the whole hog and just insure it as a stock BMW with a body kit rather than a real M3?

after all if your going to lie to your insurance company...

Of cause it's easier to spot so more lilkelly to be caught, but its the same thing!

jm doc

2,934 posts

258 months

Sunday 26th February 2012
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andygtt said:
Why not go the whole hog and just insure it as a stock BMW with a body kit rather than a real M3?

after all if your going to lie to your insurance company...

Of cause it's easier to spot so more lilkelly to be caught, but its the same thing!
But if you genuinely don't know, what you supposed to do......