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Have a listen to this theme...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOEO_fgG3-I
...and tell me if all the instruments are in tune or not.
Ta
Have a listen to this theme...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOEO_fgG3-I
...and tell me if all the instruments are in tune or not.
Ta
I remember listening to a Radio 4 documentary about the production of these theme tunes. And luckily it's still available to listen to.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01061hr
Very interesting insight into how they used to do it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01061hr
Very interesting insight into how they used to do it.
Agreed also. I thought it was a cello or viola but that counter melody is flat - it makes it sound like a bad school orchestra!
The tune is the theme from Ski Sunday - a prog I used to watch a lot back in the day. Snag is, I like the tune, but that off-tune countermelody always grated, and still does.
The tune is the theme from Ski Sunday - a prog I used to watch a lot back in the day. Snag is, I like the tune, but that off-tune countermelody always grated, and still does.
davepoth said:
I remember listening to a Radio 4 documentary about the production of these theme tunes. And luckily it's still available to listen to.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01061hr
Very interesting insight into how they used to do it.
..and still do! (It's my daytime job)http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01061hr
Very interesting insight into how they used to do it.
freecar said:
Soesn't sound off tune to me.
Granted it's not the traditional harmony but nevertheless it doesn't sound wrong.
The organ is flat to the strings. They often are as organs are rarely in tune with themselves. Check out the end of Also Sprach Zarathustra - the recording used in 2001 (yuk!)Granted it's not the traditional harmony but nevertheless it doesn't sound wrong.
Ski Sunday is probably that old Hammond they had at Maida Vale - it was overdue for retirement in 1955
Edited by GetCarter on Tuesday 21st February 12:45
freecar said:
I still disagree, the harmony isn't perfect but it's not wrong.
I maintain that this is the intentional sound of the song, if you don't like it fine, but to say it has been performed incorrectly is a bit of a jump.
I think you're right, just shot over to google and found Blondies 'Call Me' [also in D minor... loosely] and the Organ solo has similarities to dissonance in the SSTT.I maintain that this is the intentional sound of the song, if you don't like it fine, but to say it has been performed incorrectly is a bit of a jump.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_Me_(Blondie_song...
I didn't say it has been performed incorrectly, it is out of tune.
What you might have is something, perhaps strings or piccolo that are a touch sharp and the organ a touch flat.
The ear is always more sensitive to the flat.
It is not a massive problem, absolute slavery to perfect tuning is not a good trend imo.
What you might have is something, perhaps strings or piccolo that are a touch sharp and the organ a touch flat.
The ear is always more sensitive to the flat.
It is not a massive problem, absolute slavery to perfect tuning is not a good trend imo.
KB_S1 said:
I didn't say it has been performed incorrectly, it is out of tune.
What you might have is something, perhaps strings or piccolo that are a touch sharp and the organ a touch flat.
The ear is always more sensitive to the flat.
It is not a massive problem, absolute slavery to perfect tuning is not a good trend imo.
I've just switched everything off in the office and put the SSTT through my hi-fi, I love music, anyway, I think I might have the answer!What you might have is something, perhaps strings or piccolo that are a touch sharp and the organ a touch flat.
The ear is always more sensitive to the flat.
It is not a massive problem, absolute slavery to perfect tuning is not a good trend imo.
The Organ is speeded up and slowed to match the instruments in the main theme. It's marginal, but I think I'm not fooling myself... well I hope not.
KB_S1 said:
I didn't say it has been performed incorrectly, it is out of tune.
What you might have is something, perhaps strings or piccolo that are a touch sharp and the organ a touch flat.
The ear is always more sensitive to the flat.
It is not a massive problem, absolute slavery to perfect tuning is not a good trend imo.
Out of tune implies that it is incorrect.What you might have is something, perhaps strings or piccolo that are a touch sharp and the organ a touch flat.
The ear is always more sensitive to the flat.
It is not a massive problem, absolute slavery to perfect tuning is not a good trend imo.
It implies that there is another more correct way for the piece to sound or do you dispute this as well?
freecar said:
Out of tune implies that it is incorrect.
It implies that there is another more correct way for the piece to sound or do you dispute this as well?
Well, there is a danger of semantics getting in the way but yes, I do think if it was properly in tune (stable if the speed issue raised above is correct) then it would sound 'better'.It implies that there is another more correct way for the piece to sound or do you dispute this as well?
Perhaps the composer is aiming for a dissonant theme, I can't be sure of that, not my strong point. It does sound to me though as if the organ tuning is inconsistent across its range.
Yep, it's out of tune, and it's inncorrect tuning if they were all trying to achieve A440. I very much doubt the composer wrote on the score 'play out of tune' - In 30 years of composing it's not something I've ever wanted to achieve. FAR more likely that they ran out of time or had crap monitors - If it WAS Maida Vale, I can confirm that they did! Like listening through cotton wool after 6 pints of Stella.
It doesn't particularly bother me mind. Not like Mick Hucknall, who has yet to find a single note that is in the same galaxy as any of his musicians.
It doesn't particularly bother me mind. Not like Mick Hucknall, who has yet to find a single note that is in the same galaxy as any of his musicians.
KB_S1 said:
freecar said:
Out of tune implies that it is incorrect.
It implies that there is another more correct way for the piece to sound or do you dispute this as well?
Well, there is a danger of semantics getting in the way but yes, I do think if it was properly in tune (stable if the speed issue raised above is correct) then it would sound 'better'.It implies that there is another more correct way for the piece to sound or do you dispute this as well?
Perhaps the composer is aiming for a dissonant theme, I can't be sure of that, not my strong point. It does sound to me though as if the organ tuning is inconsistent across its range.
The tune is called "Pop goes Bach" and all versions sound similar until you get music students playing it on youtube with electronic keyboards and they sound awful, give them a listen and see if it solves your issues with the tune. Frankly they sound clunky and more like a sitcom theme!
freecar said:
As a musician I was taught to appreciate many differing harmonies, I like the tune as it is, as it creates a breathless middle 8 and the return to the melody wouldn't feel right if it were tuned differently. Granted the first time you hear a non standard harmony it can grate but that should go away if it is a good tune.
It sounds awful. It's not a non-standard harmony, it's just not in tune. Here is an arrangement someone has done and recorded with a synthesiser, but you can clearly hear the counter melody in tune, and it is obvious that is how it should be.Gassing Station | TV, Film, Streaming & Radio | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff