Tesla Roadster huge design flaw.
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Well this really helps the development of electric cars...
Not.
http://jalopnik.com/5887265/tesla-motors-devastati...
Basically Tesla Roadsters if left for a long period (About 6 weeks) will fully discharge. However unlike your phone which if the battery just goes flat you can plug in, if the battery in a Tesla Roadster (And possibly other models) goes flat then it is dead. And you will face a $40,000+ (sorry working in dollars that is what the values are given in) bill for replacement of the battery. Whats more Tesla are actively monitoring each car and warn owners about low battery levels which is understandable, however in one such case they actively tracked a Roadster using GPS and sent a team to charge the vehicle due to a "Dangerously low" battery level.
Quite honestly this is disgusting behaviour. The issue wouldn't be so big if Tesla would actually admit there is a problem and cover replacement batteries. However tracking a vehicle with GPS, without it appears consent from the owner, is completely disgusting form, no way in hell should a car company track a privately owned vehicle with GPS unless either warranted by the police or explicitly requested by the owner of said vehicle.
Tesla really need to sort it out.
Not.
http://jalopnik.com/5887265/tesla-motors-devastati...
Basically Tesla Roadsters if left for a long period (About 6 weeks) will fully discharge. However unlike your phone which if the battery just goes flat you can plug in, if the battery in a Tesla Roadster (And possibly other models) goes flat then it is dead. And you will face a $40,000+ (sorry working in dollars that is what the values are given in) bill for replacement of the battery. Whats more Tesla are actively monitoring each car and warn owners about low battery levels which is understandable, however in one such case they actively tracked a Roadster using GPS and sent a team to charge the vehicle due to a "Dangerously low" battery level.
Quite honestly this is disgusting behaviour. The issue wouldn't be so big if Tesla would actually admit there is a problem and cover replacement batteries. However tracking a vehicle with GPS, without it appears consent from the owner, is completely disgusting form, no way in hell should a car company track a privately owned vehicle with GPS unless either warranted by the police or explicitly requested by the owner of said vehicle.
Tesla really need to sort it out.
swifthobo said:
I personally think that is a good thing. has your phone got location software?
Yes but I keep the GPS turned off unless I want to use it as a GPS. I can see your point, and sure it saved the owner for a huge bill however it is still not acceptable to track a vehicle without permission, I may be wrong and the owner had told them to monitor the car in which case I retract my point, however it is still wrong monitoring the vehicles unless they have permission. Who knows the sales documents may include a form giving them permission. But the battery issues are major.FloppyRaccoon said:
If they didn't do that, the owner would be facing a $40,000 bill for a new battery though. I'd be rather grateful if I was him.
(Ignoring the whole problem with a battery that totally dies after not being touched for 6 weeks)
Yes I agree, in the owners shoes you would be grateful, and it was only after failing to contact the owner however it is still not right if they are monitoring the vehicles without permission.(Ignoring the whole problem with a battery that totally dies after not being touched for 6 weeks)
If I was aware of the issue I guess it would be different but all the same...LukeSi said:
Yes I agree, in the owners shoes you would be grateful, and it was only after failing to contact the owner however it is still not right if they are monitoring the vehicles without permission.
Are they monitoring without permission? The article update makes it seem like its an owner option. Couldn't give a s
t if they were, though, to be honest. My car has a tracker, and if it were able to automatically alert the AA or whoever that the car was in imminent trouble, forwarding my location, I'd be very grateful.And it's hardly Tesla's design flaw, lithium ion batteries should not be fully discharged for any length of time; there's no battery powered device that will be able to avoid this sort of damage.
aizvara said:
Are they monitoring without permission? The article update makes it seem like its an owner option. Couldn't give a st if they were, though, to be honest. My car has a tracker, and if it were able to automatically alert the AA or whoever that the car was in imminent trouble, forwarding my location, I'd be very grateful.
And it's hardly Tesla's design flaw, lithium ion batteries should not be fully discharged for any length of time; there's no battery powered device that will be able to avoid this sort of damage.
From reading the article it sounds like the Battery is dead as soon as it completely discharged.t if they were, though, to be honest. My car has a tracker, and if it were able to automatically alert the AA or whoever that the car was in imminent trouble, forwarding my location, I'd be very grateful.And it's hardly Tesla's design flaw, lithium ion batteries should not be fully discharged for any length of time; there's no battery powered device that will be able to avoid this sort of damage.
aizvara said:
If you manage to completely discharge a lithium ion battery, I think it will be severely damaged, so yes, makes sense.
I'm not sure you are correct there, Everything I've found either says discharge it every [insert amount of charges] to prolong the life or do not allow it to fully discharge as it will affect the length of the batteries' life, however none say it will be severely damaged. Tesla are also partially to blame as they do not adequately warn roadster owners of the dangers, they say "Allowing the battery to discharge can cause severe damage" Not that it will completely destroy the battery and not that it is guaranteed to.I will admit one of my sources does say charge a LiOn battery to 40% and put it in the fridge to store it.
LukeSi said:
Well this really helps the development of electric cars...
Not.
http://jalopnik.com/5887265/tesla-motors-devastati...
Where as a BMW diesel system is instant scrap when you put petrol in it but this is not a huge design flaw and rather then help you BMW will also invalidate any warranty on the car.Not.
http://jalopnik.com/5887265/tesla-motors-devastati...
Where as tesla remote monitor the car and tell you to charge it if you forget and in one circumstance actually found the car and charged it up. For some reason this is worse?
It sounds like just some lame halfarsed attempt to hate electric cars.
As to doing it without the owners consent MMMmmmm considering most Teslas are sold to rich american lawyers and IT geeks do you really think that Tesla are that stupid.
thinfourth2 said:
Where as a BMW diesel system is instant scrap when you put petrol in it but this is not a huge design flaw and rather then help you BMW will also invalidate any warranty on the car.
Where as tesla remote monitor the car and tell you to charge it if you forget and in one circumstance actually found the car and charged it up. For some reason this is worse?
It sounds like just some lame halfarsed attempt to hate electric cars.
As to doing it without the owners consent MMMmmmm considering most Teslas are sold to rich american lawyers and IT geeks do you really think that Tesla are that stupid.
agreeWhere as tesla remote monitor the car and tell you to charge it if you forget and in one circumstance actually found the car and charged it up. For some reason this is worse?
It sounds like just some lame halfarsed attempt to hate electric cars.
As to doing it without the owners consent MMMmmmm considering most Teslas are sold to rich american lawyers and IT geeks do you really think that Tesla are that stupid.
also agree with the other comment, re strange the battery doesnt shut down earlier to protect itself.
I doubt they are constantly monitored for location.
Sure, the battery information may be monitored and GPS data might be sent when battery levels get critical, but not before.
So, they might not be being monitored as extensively as OP suggests.
I am also sure that their small print covers monitoring battery levels.
As for the problem with the battery when fully discharged, if this has been disclosed to customers prior to purchase it is not a critical problem nor disgusting. If it hasn't been discloses, then its a different kettle of fish.
Sure, the battery information may be monitored and GPS data might be sent when battery levels get critical, but not before.
So, they might not be being monitored as extensively as OP suggests.
I am also sure that their small print covers monitoring battery levels.
As for the problem with the battery when fully discharged, if this has been disclosed to customers prior to purchase it is not a critical problem nor disgusting. If it hasn't been discloses, then its a different kettle of fish.
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