Ethanol in petrol,we're destined for history
Discussion
I know its been a topic on pistonheads and one or two people are clued up on it but i've just been prompted by an artical in one of the motoring sections, at present most of our fuel contains 5% ethanol but very soon our so called elected goverment will allow the content to increase to 10% and after that even 15%. Many,many older cars will not be able to run on this stuff bacause the ethanol eats away and corrodes the very materials that are used to make the fuel systems including zinc,galvanised materials,brass,copper,aluminium,seals and hoses,cork,polyurethane and epoxy resins. Its also hydrophilic and we all know how much engines love water.
So all the cash and love we throw in the direction of our old motors is destined to lead us absolutly know where coz if we're going to rely on the current airheads to guide us then likelyhood is most of our cars what ever marque will probably end up totally f-----g useless or worst still as a molten blob due to to fuel system leak that caused it,just hope we're not sat in it at the time.
All this seems to have been commissioned without much public knowledge or consultation and we are just going to accept it?
So all the cash and love we throw in the direction of our old motors is destined to lead us absolutly know where coz if we're going to rely on the current airheads to guide us then likelyhood is most of our cars what ever marque will probably end up totally f-----g useless or worst still as a molten blob due to to fuel system leak that caused it,just hope we're not sat in it at the time.
All this seems to have been commissioned without much public knowledge or consultation and we are just going to accept it?
Well its just another way for them to tap into another fuel source to tear the arse out of..w
kers!!..Still maybe convert your car and run it on home brew, You could also drink it!!...
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=r...
kers!!..Still maybe convert your car and run it on home brew, You could also drink it!!...http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=r...
wooly350i said:
I know its been a topic on pistonheads and one or two people are clued up on it but i've just been prompted by an artical in one of the motoring sections, at present most of our fuel contains 5% ethanol but very soon our so called elected goverment will allow the content to increase to 10% and after that even 15%. Many,many older cars will not be able to run on this stuff bacause the ethanol eats away and corrodes the very materials that are used to make the fuel systems including zinc,galvanised materials,brass,copper,aluminium,seals and hoses,cork,polyurethane and epoxy resins. Its also hydrophilic and we all know how much engines love water.
So all the cash and love we throw in the direction of our old motors is destined to lead us absolutly know where coz if we're going to rely on the current airheads to guide us then likelyhood is most of our cars what ever marque will probably end up totally f-----g useless or worst still as a molten blob due to to fuel system leak that caused it,just hope we're not sat in it at the time.
All this seems to have been commissioned without much public knowledge or consultation and we are just going to accept it?
Oh sSo all the cash and love we throw in the direction of our old motors is destined to lead us absolutly know where coz if we're going to rely on the current airheads to guide us then likelyhood is most of our cars what ever marque will probably end up totally f-----g useless or worst still as a molten blob due to to fuel system leak that caused it,just hope we're not sat in it at the time.
All this seems to have been commissioned without much public knowledge or consultation and we are just going to accept it?
t! all our old car will have to be scrapped, on the other hand we could take this as uttercrap and get on with our lives as normal.
Good point andy but the rusty works out to around £30 per ltr so its a bit too expensive to burn!!..
Although its a good rocket fuel its best left to drinking...
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However you can make ethanol from potatoes or sugar or even sweetbreads..Its perfect for burning as its cheap and taste very bland..Gets you well sozzled though!!..
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Although its a good rocket fuel its best left to drinking...
...However you can make ethanol from potatoes or sugar or even sweetbreads..Its perfect for burning as its cheap and taste very bland..Gets you well sozzled though!!..
...This is quoted from http://www.onlinemechanical.net/ethanol-E10.html:
"Land Rover All Land Rover vehicles imported and sold by Land Rover Australia since 1986 will operate satisfactorily on unleaded petrol containing ethanol blended up to 10% (E10) provided that the fuel octane recommendations in the owners hand book are adhered to, to avoid any operational issues, the vehicles should be maintained in accordance with Land Rover servicing procedures using genuine Land Rover replacement parts.
In general, some pre - 1986 cars will operate on E10 ULP, however Land Rover recommends that they do not use ethanol blended petrol due to the aging of the vehicle fuel systems. It is important however that Land Rover vehicles with carburettors do not use ethanol blended petrol."
There are similar quotes for Ford engines.
Is seems that it will generally be OK, except don't leave it hanging around in the tank for extended periods because the ethanol is hydrophilic and can form an ethanol/watery layer in the tank if left sitting for months. Petrol stations here sell to a RON so they have to change other stuff to keep the RON the same.
"Land Rover All Land Rover vehicles imported and sold by Land Rover Australia since 1986 will operate satisfactorily on unleaded petrol containing ethanol blended up to 10% (E10) provided that the fuel octane recommendations in the owners hand book are adhered to, to avoid any operational issues, the vehicles should be maintained in accordance with Land Rover servicing procedures using genuine Land Rover replacement parts.
In general, some pre - 1986 cars will operate on E10 ULP, however Land Rover recommends that they do not use ethanol blended petrol due to the aging of the vehicle fuel systems. It is important however that Land Rover vehicles with carburettors do not use ethanol blended petrol."
There are similar quotes for Ford engines.
Is seems that it will generally be OK, except don't leave it hanging around in the tank for extended periods because the ethanol is hydrophilic and can form an ethanol/watery layer in the tank if left sitting for months. Petrol stations here sell to a RON so they have to change other stuff to keep the RON the same.
adam quantrill said:
This is quoted from http://www.onlinemechanical.net/ethanol-E10.html:
"Land Rover All Land Rover vehicles imported and sold by Land Rover Australia since 1986 will operate satisfactorily on unleaded petrol containing ethanol blended up to 10% (E10) provided that the fuel octane recommendations in the owners hand book are adhered to, to avoid any operational issues, the vehicles should be maintained in accordance with Land Rover servicing procedures using genuine Land Rover replacement parts.
In general, some pre - 1986 cars will operate on E10 ULP, however Land Rover recommends that they do not use ethanol blended petrol due to the aging of the vehicle fuel systems. It is important however that Land Rover vehicles with carburettors do not use ethanol blended petrol."
There are similar quotes for Ford engines.
Is seems that it will generally be OK, except don't leave it hanging around in the tank for extended periods because the ethanol is hydrophilic and can form an ethanol/watery layer in the tank if left sitting for months. Petrol stations here sell to a RON so they have to change other stuff to keep the RON the same.
So all this sounds great until we hit the real world after time with 10% in the system then we start getting issues with leaks or running,then we find out too late they got it wrong. Errm remember the euro spouters,and the bankers and even those intellectuals who sold endowments ? Oh and that foot bridge across the Thames in London ,nothings 100% until its tried,who,me a sceptic,pha"Land Rover All Land Rover vehicles imported and sold by Land Rover Australia since 1986 will operate satisfactorily on unleaded petrol containing ethanol blended up to 10% (E10) provided that the fuel octane recommendations in the owners hand book are adhered to, to avoid any operational issues, the vehicles should be maintained in accordance with Land Rover servicing procedures using genuine Land Rover replacement parts.
In general, some pre - 1986 cars will operate on E10 ULP, however Land Rover recommends that they do not use ethanol blended petrol due to the aging of the vehicle fuel systems. It is important however that Land Rover vehicles with carburettors do not use ethanol blended petrol."
There are similar quotes for Ford engines.
Is seems that it will generally be OK, except don't leave it hanging around in the tank for extended periods because the ethanol is hydrophilic and can form an ethanol/watery layer in the tank if left sitting for months. Petrol stations here sell to a RON so they have to change other stuff to keep the RON the same.
There's bound to be 500,000 - 1 million classic car in Britain and Europe so why cant they keep one pump with original petrol at all the petrol stations across the country.
So if we had to use the new petrol with all this ethanol in it and things go wrong with engine will your insurance cough up for repairs or will that be another act of god issues.[we're putting the wrong product into your engine, tuff].
So if we had to use the new petrol with all this ethanol in it and things go wrong with engine will your insurance cough up for repairs or will that be another act of god issues.[we're putting the wrong product into your engine, tuff].
but good sTVRleigh_BBWR said:
Not sure if this is the same reason, but one of the Racers in the DTEC ran race fuel, and had to replace all his fuel hoses after a year, as they fuel has degraded them.
Probably in a nut shell,otherwise the same effect caused by something corrosive,they'll say "should have read the small print"TVRleigh_BBWR said:
Not sure if this is the same reason, but one of the Racers in the DTEC ran race fuel, and had to replace all his fuel hoses after a year, as they fuel has degraded them.
That'll be me then 
Yip, after only 10 months of using Sunoco Race Fuel the hoses, which were reasonably new, failed dramatically. The rubber just started crumbling and cracking. Luckily I noticed it whilst it was on the ramps. I went to the local hydraulic hose company and explained the problem to him and he fixed me up with some braided chemically resistant stuff. Not sure of the brand but I didn't have any more trouble.The carbs didn't seem to suffer though and the engine ran great on it, although that was a cast iron Ford V6. I'll not be putting race fuel in the new RV8, that'll just have to make do with super unleaded with a bit of Millers CVL turbo
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