corrupt coppers
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Can't find a topic on this, seems payments from journalists to "police, military, health and government" are widespread....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17173438
Those quilty of accepting bribes should be lines up and shot.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17173438
Those quilty of accepting bribes should be lines up and shot.
aryastark said:
Can't find a topic on this, seems payments from journalists to "police, military, health and government" are widespread....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17173438
Those quilty of accepting bribes should be lines up and shot.
Actually it would be far better to jail them, it would certainly provide a disincentive for others to get involved in illegal activities in the future.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17173438
Those quilty of accepting bribes should be lines up and shot.
aryastark said:
Can't find a topic on this, seems payments from journalists to "police, military, health and government" are widespread....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17173438
Those quilty of accepting bribes should be lines up and shot.
But they won't be, and bribery and corruption will continue as it is always has.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17173438
Those quilty of accepting bribes should be lines up and shot.
Even if they were lined up and shot, the people that replaced them will also be human, and therefore corruptable
The only way to stop it is too limit what people are allowed to own. And shoot anybody that is richer than a certain level, or has a car/house/jewellery that is expensive. That will stop people coveting these things and doing anything they have to, to get them.
Not likely IMO.
Mr_annie_vxr said:
Long prison terms. Asset stripped. Pension stripped and not allowed on the rule in prison. Also forced to wear a t-shirt in their declaring past profession.
They are lowest if the low in my book.
Agree mostly. I think we should add into this corrupt prison officers too - how else do you think the supply of drugs into prisons is so free and easy?They are lowest if the low in my book.
aryastark said:
Can't find a topic on this, seems payments from journalists to "police, military, health and government" are widespread....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17173438
Those quilty of accepting bribes should be lines up and shot.
What about the smirking journalists who are offering all these bribes? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17173438
Those quilty of accepting bribes should be lines up and shot.
Dr Gonzo said:
What about the smirking journalists who are offering all these bribes?
What should happen is that the journalist should be charged with bribery and corruption after a possible sting operation where they are filmed handing over money/services in return for favours/info.I would hope that any officers caught start naming and shaming the journos that bribed them.
arfur sleep said:
Dr Gonzo said:
What about the smirking journalists who are offering all these bribes?
What should happen is that the journalist should be charged with bribery and corruption after a possible sting operation where they are filmed handing over money/services in return for favours/info.I would hope that any officers caught start naming and shaming the journos that bribed them.
The journos - and those big executives at the very top who are clearly aware of what goes on - should be given a spell at Her Majesty's Pleasure.
Journalists have always had informants in the police, and of course elsewhere, and the norm is that money does not change hands.
I think people should have access to all information about the police except for that which is sub judice and personal. The service is too secretative.
We all enjoyed Guido and Gadget, not to mention others, who show up the faults in systems. We've recently had a traffic warden admit to the press that they were on targets and he got sacked for doing what I feel is a public service.
Read the Rotten Boroughs in Private Eye. Most of that info comes from informants.
So it is not one size fits all. It varies depending on what information is being given, the reason it is being given and whether the motive is purely money.
The establishment is frightened of information being available to the public. Eady, that stalwart of privacy, didn't feel it necessary to extend it to a police officer running a blog despite the illegal way he was identified but did to someone who bought women to humiliate. Strange, very strange, values there.
Recent history shows us that nurses who expose corrupt, improper, illegal and poor practices are sacked without compensation and even if ordered to be rehired are normally left without a job.
The suggestions for cruel and unusual punishment regardless of motive and type of information are rather silly. Corruption is one thing. Giving information about procedures and processes is not. The service is not open. It tells lies. The big problem with police corruption is not giving information to the press per se.
We can all agree on telephones numbers being sold, index number checks and that sort of thing being beyond the pale. But a PC, for example, who is disgusted with the procedures being forced on the front line is another matter all together. The ones we should go for are those who are refusing to give honest information and instead spin.
I think people should have access to all information about the police except for that which is sub judice and personal. The service is too secretative.
We all enjoyed Guido and Gadget, not to mention others, who show up the faults in systems. We've recently had a traffic warden admit to the press that they were on targets and he got sacked for doing what I feel is a public service.
Read the Rotten Boroughs in Private Eye. Most of that info comes from informants.
So it is not one size fits all. It varies depending on what information is being given, the reason it is being given and whether the motive is purely money.
The establishment is frightened of information being available to the public. Eady, that stalwart of privacy, didn't feel it necessary to extend it to a police officer running a blog despite the illegal way he was identified but did to someone who bought women to humiliate. Strange, very strange, values there.
Recent history shows us that nurses who expose corrupt, improper, illegal and poor practices are sacked without compensation and even if ordered to be rehired are normally left without a job.
The suggestions for cruel and unusual punishment regardless of motive and type of information are rather silly. Corruption is one thing. Giving information about procedures and processes is not. The service is not open. It tells lies. The big problem with police corruption is not giving information to the press per se.
We can all agree on telephones numbers being sold, index number checks and that sort of thing being beyond the pale. But a PC, for example, who is disgusted with the procedures being forced on the front line is another matter all together. The ones we should go for are those who are refusing to give honest information and instead spin.
What can we make of the loan of a police horse for two years to Rebekah Brooks then?
Is it simply, as claimed, a case that a horse at the end of active service life was fostered rather than being sold on? Plus why after two years, was it removed from her care and then rehomed with a serving officer just when it was obvious it was all about to kick off.
Boundaries are too fuzzy in my opinion, perspective was lost.
One wonders what favours have been repaid or earned by this? Possibly none, but the same names just keep on cropping up.
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As someone said, some like to sleep straight at night, some crawl lower than a snake's belly. Of course it may all be completely innocent and above board.
Is it simply, as claimed, a case that a horse at the end of active service life was fostered rather than being sold on? Plus why after two years, was it removed from her care and then rehomed with a serving officer just when it was obvious it was all about to kick off.
Boundaries are too fuzzy in my opinion, perspective was lost.
One wonders what favours have been repaid or earned by this? Possibly none, but the same names just keep on cropping up.
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As someone said, some like to sleep straight at night, some crawl lower than a snake's belly. Of course it may all be completely innocent and above board.
Dr Gonzo said:
arfur sleep said:
Dr Gonzo said:
What about the smirking journalists who are offering all these bribes?
What should happen is that the journalist should be charged with bribery and corruption after a possible sting operation where they are filmed handing over money/services in return for favours/info.I would hope that any officers caught start naming and shaming the journos that bribed them.
The journos - and those big executives at the very top who are clearly aware of what goes on - should be given a spell at Her Majesty's Pleasure.
Easy and popular to criticise journalists at the moment and any wrongdoers should of course be prosecuted where possible but am I alone in thinking any corrupted officials did greater wrongs and should be punished more heavily BECAUSE of their position?
The horse story was a bit of fluff (though allegedly returned in a poor state?
) but does add rightly or wrongly to the perception of the press police relationship being too close and 'iffy'.
pork911 said:
I noticed similar spin in the evidence on monday - nasty journalists corrupting public officials.
Easy and popular to criticise journalists at the moment and any wrongdoers should of course be prosecuted where possible but am I alone in thinking any corrupted officials did greater wrongs and should be punished more heavily BECAUSE of their position?
The horse story was a bit of fluff (though allegedly returned in a poor state?)
but does add rightly or wrongly to the perception of the press police relationship being too close and 'iffy'.
The journalists, or perhaps just their managers, are not always mere followers:Easy and popular to criticise journalists at the moment and any wrongdoers should of course be prosecuted where possible but am I alone in thinking any corrupted officials did greater wrongs and should be punished more heavily BECAUSE of their position?
The horse story was a bit of fluff (though allegedly returned in a poor state?
) but does add rightly or wrongly to the perception of the press police relationship being too close and 'iffy'.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/press/notw...
But the one over-riding conclusion - so far - from the enquiry is that NI actuatlly encouraged close ties with governments and the police. Their purpose seems to be rather obvious with every corroborative revelation.
Fluff or not, that horse is indicative of the close relationship between high ranking NI staff and the press.
It stinks. As the enquiry gets older, the smell becomes more and more pungent.
The odd thing is that Levenson is, in theory, there to work out what restrictions, if any, are to be placed on the press yet it is the governments and the police who are the ones who should be limited in what they do.
Derek Smith said:
The odd thing is that Levenson is, in theory, there to work out what restrictions, if any, are to be placed on the press yet it is the governments and the police who are the ones who should be limited in what they do.
That one paragraph says it all. Sadly, it says it all.Every thing that comes out of it shows that, for example, the people who should be straight, upstanding and honourable are clearly not in all manner of ways.
Would it have come out without the press? Almost certainly not.
Yet it's the press that have been portrayed as the gutter dwelling villains. Maybe some are, maybe some are simply weak operatives taking advantage of opportunities to take short cuts.
PugwasHDJ80 said:
Does anyone else think its interesting that the police forces keep going on about corrupt journalists?
surely the police officers are the corrupt ones? it a bit like your wife having an affair and you getting stroppy with the other bloke, but still being nice to your wife!
Indeed. Motive is everything and there's little doubt that money is it in this case.surely the police officers are the corrupt ones? it a bit like your wife having an affair and you getting stroppy with the other bloke, but still being nice to your wife!
In the 70s there was a major enquiry in the City of London. The Daily Express payroll job. It was organised either by or with the connivance of the City CID. The SIO got upset that most of the detail was being fed to the evening papers. I was told this was by the straight ones.
The SIO dragged all officers, including uniform PCs (to spread the blame I reckon - dam cheek) into a briefing where he threatened that the next person to speak with the press would be sacked.
I walked off into Fleet Street and by the time I got by Serjeant's Inn the placards were being put out for the Standard and News. It said: Police Chief criticises officers.
It was hilarious.
But it is not only police who are getting too friendly with the powerful:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/phone-hacki...
All we have to wonder is the motive.
Derek Smith said:
PugwasHDJ80 said:
Does anyone else think its interesting that the police forces keep going on about corrupt journalists?
surely the police officers are the corrupt ones? it a bit like your wife having an affair and you getting stroppy with the other bloke, but still being nice to your wife!
Indeed. Motive is everything and there's little doubt that money is it in this case.surely the police officers are the corrupt ones? it a bit like your wife having an affair and you getting stroppy with the other bloke, but still being nice to your wife!
In the 70s there was a major enquiry in the City of London. The Daily Express payroll job. It was organised either by or with the connivance of the City CID. The SIO got upset that most of the detail was being fed to the evening papers. I was told this was by the straight ones.
The SIO dragged all officers, including uniform PCs (to spread the blame I reckon - dam cheek) into a briefing where he threatened that the next person to speak with the press would be sacked.
I walked off into Fleet Street and by the time I got by Serjeant's Inn the placards were being put out for the Standard and News. It said: Police Chief criticises officers.
It was hilarious.
But it is not only police who are getting too friendly with the powerful:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/phone-hacki...
All we have to wonder is the motive.
I might pose it next time I'm in Tory Witney HQ (nah, better not, I won't get any more work!)
Some brilliant stuff Derek. Keep it coming...
What a country this is, are we all simply mugs?
dandarez said:
Some brilliant stuff Derek. Keep it coming...
What a country this is, are we all simply mugs?
Me keep it coming? I'm having a little help:What a country this is, are we all simply mugs?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/mar/01/leveso...
This is an ACPO officer. Any PC who did something similar would be out on his ear or even prosecuted.
This used to be my job. I was proud of what I did. What makes me angry is that no one seems to care. No police officers are being prosecuted and nor have any MPs. PMs have had inappropriate relationships with NI officials. We've had Blair giving NI what appears to be preferential treatment and attacking the BBC after little Jimmy Murdoch demand it. Now we have Cameron having a very close relationship with people whose character was, to say the least, cloudy. And there's Coulson etc.
These are PMs and senior police officers. I had to avoid a doctor friend who was suspected (and indeed had) fiddled her patient figures. I had an interview just because I'd seen her on a monthly basis even after putting a report in before I went to see her. Despite the fact that I had a perfect excuse - I had low blood pressure - I understood the need for the check. And that was in a different force area.
It ruined our friendship - she was more of a friend to my wife - but it was part of the job.
But these bods who get lots and lots of money just don't seem to realise that their jobs have responsibilities.
A rseholes.
Derek Smith said:
Is it just me that has this image of a conversation.Scene:- The Brooks stables.
:Rebekah Brooks to Call Me Dave: Care to join me for a hack?
:Call Me Dave: I just love a nice hack!
I think the horse thing is a red herring. It's very common for horses to be lent out - it relieves the owner of the very considerable costs (farrier, feed, vet, etc) for an animal they no longer have a use for, whilst retaining some control over it's care. So the police probably financially gained, not brooks. "Poor condition" is very subjective - a semi-retired horse probably has, correctly, not a huge amount of work and won't have the muscle definition of a younger active horse and won't have been "corned-up" as much. If it's shoes are hanging off then that's different. I'm not defending the tabloid press - I refuse to buy any of them, but this is a distraction.
Edited by UnderTheRadar on Thursday 1st March 20:34
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