How long will people put up with green taxes???
Discussion
Just wondering, seems like every day more organisations are starting to question and are openly critisising green taxes and policys and no longer afraid of being seen to be out of step with once popular opinion, have the wheels started to come off???or do the general public still buy into the idea of man made climate change..???
powerstroke said:
Just wondering, seems like every day more organisations are starting to question and are openly critisising green taxes and policys and no longer afraid of being seen to be out of step with once popular opinion, have the wheels started to come off???or do the general public still buy into the idea of man made climate change..???
I know of very few people who believe in Global Warming (those who do I tend to give information to so they realise).And the less it warms and the more people die due to the cold and the less money people have, the less willing they will be to pay for this s***e..
Most people are oblivious to green taxes (or any current affairs for that matter), but it doesn't matter how many of us object to them because they'll just be renamed to something else and never go.
Actually, has any tax ever been removed once it's in place?
I still remember when we received a 'carbon credits' pamphlet at work detailing the requirement to purchase credits for the right to use energy (on top of the 'green' surcharge we already pay on top of our energy, 15% IIRC) , I laughed at it thinking it was some Nigerian scam and then found out it was real
Actually, has any tax ever been removed once it's in place?
I still remember when we received a 'carbon credits' pamphlet at work detailing the requirement to purchase credits for the right to use energy (on top of the 'green' surcharge we already pay on top of our energy, 15% IIRC) , I laughed at it thinking it was some Nigerian scam and then found out it was real
SpeedMattersNot said:
But some (not enough) people I know do care about the environment.
I think we all care about the environment, but what many care little for are stealth taxes imposed to subsidise - say - wind turbines and such when substantive evidence shows that reducing MMCO2 has nothing to do with changing the weather. Delingpole, I thought, summarised it nicely on one of his recent blogs:
JD said:
Sharing a car back from the BBC Big Question debate in Cardiff on Sunday I had a tremendous bust-up with one of my fellow panellists which I think many of you would have enjoyed hugely. (Our driver could barely keep a straight face.)
It was prompted when I very vocally expressed my disgust at one of the standard phrases trotted out by Warmists and other eco-loons in these debates (as, of course, inevitably, they did again on Sunday): the one about "preserving the planet for future generations".
The reason this cant phrase makes me want to throw up every time I hear it is that it's such a grotesque inversion of reality. It's not people on my side of the debate who want to ravage the countryside with wind farms (with no provision for decommissioning them), rein in economic growth, introduce wartime-style rationing, raise taxes, destroy farmland and rainforests to create biofuels, and base heinously expensive public policy on hysteria and junk science. It's not people on my side of the debate who are condemning those "future generations" to a lower standard of living and an uglier environment in order to deal with a problem that doesn't exist. So how dare they have the gall to try to take the moral high ground?
It was prompted when I very vocally expressed my disgust at one of the standard phrases trotted out by Warmists and other eco-loons in these debates (as, of course, inevitably, they did again on Sunday): the one about "preserving the planet for future generations".
The reason this cant phrase makes me want to throw up every time I hear it is that it's such a grotesque inversion of reality. It's not people on my side of the debate who want to ravage the countryside with wind farms (with no provision for decommissioning them), rein in economic growth, introduce wartime-style rationing, raise taxes, destroy farmland and rainforests to create biofuels, and base heinously expensive public policy on hysteria and junk science. It's not people on my side of the debate who are condemning those "future generations" to a lower standard of living and an uglier environment in order to deal with a problem that doesn't exist. So how dare they have the gall to try to take the moral high ground?
kiteless said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
But some (not enough) people I know do care about the environment.
I think we all care about the environment, but what many care little for are stealth taxes imposed to subsidise - say - wind turbines and such when substantive evidence shows that reducing MMCO2 has nothing to do with changing the weather. Delingpole, I thought, summarised it nicely on one of his recent blogs:
JD said:
Sharing a car back from the BBC Big Question debate in Cardiff on Sunday I had a tremendous bust-up with one of my fellow panellists which I think many of you would have enjoyed hugely. (Our driver could barely keep a straight face.)
It was prompted when I very vocally expressed my disgust at one of the standard phrases trotted out by Warmists and other eco-loons in these debates (as, of course, inevitably, they did again on Sunday): the one about "preserving the planet for future generations".
The reason this cant phrase makes me want to throw up every time I hear it is that it's such a grotesque inversion of reality. It's not people on my side of the debate who want to ravage the countryside with wind farms (with no provision for decommissioning them), rein in economic growth, introduce wartime-style rationing, raise taxes, destroy farmland and rainforests to create biofuels, and base heinously expensive public policy on hysteria and junk science. It's not people on my side of the debate who are condemning those "future generations" to a lower standard of living and an uglier environment in order to deal with a problem that doesn't exist. So how dare they have the gall to try to take the moral high ground?
It was prompted when I very vocally expressed my disgust at one of the standard phrases trotted out by Warmists and other eco-loons in these debates (as, of course, inevitably, they did again on Sunday): the one about "preserving the planet for future generations".
The reason this cant phrase makes me want to throw up every time I hear it is that it's such a grotesque inversion of reality. It's not people on my side of the debate who want to ravage the countryside with wind farms (with no provision for decommissioning them), rein in economic growth, introduce wartime-style rationing, raise taxes, destroy farmland and rainforests to create biofuels, and base heinously expensive public policy on hysteria and junk science. It's not people on my side of the debate who are condemning those "future generations" to a lower standard of living and an uglier environment in order to deal with a problem that doesn't exist. So how dare they have the gall to try to take the moral high ground?
Wartime rationing, inefficient use of land, building random crap, introducing new taxes, drags on economic growth in pursuit of some chimaera - seriously, since when has any of this been a problem to anybody who's come along later? Approximately never, that's when. It's all happened before, and yet here we are. All of a sudden, it seems, future generations are going to be incapable of fixing any problems that we've left for them, but every generation previously has done exactly the same thing, and here we are, witnessing the result. Which would be - more humans than ever before, with massively improved standards of living all round.
I don't buy claims of humanity's impending demise for one single second, no matter what the postulated cause.
swerni said:
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Happy82 said:
Actually, has any tax ever been removed once it's in place?
Window tax repealed in 1851
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