How bad is a quick start and stop for the car?
How bad is a quick start and stop for the car?
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versus

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612 posts

171 months

Saturday 3rd March 2012
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To wash my car, I have to start it to take it out of the garage and back it up about 20 feet into the driveway where I then turn it off (whole process is about 15 seconds). I plan on doing this weekly.

Is it ok to do this or really bad? I can't roll the car out unfortunately.

kambites

70,742 posts

244 months

Saturday 3rd March 2012
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It wont do it significantly more harm than any other time you start the engine, except maybe for the battery.

iva cosworth

44,044 posts

186 months

Saturday 3rd March 2012
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I would run engine for at least a couple of minutes just to "clear it" out from doing

2 cold starts in fairly quick succession .

Petrol bore washing is not good.

kambites

70,742 posts

244 months

Saturday 3rd March 2012
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What exactly are you expecting to clear out?

varsas

4,073 posts

225 months

Saturday 3rd March 2012
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Depends on the car.

Some (Nissan Micra's, X308 Jaguars, RX8's, lots actually) really don't like being moved short distances like that and you will effectively flood the engine to the point where it may not start again without whatever special start procedure is needed (foot to the floor in a Jaguar to stop the fuel pump for 10 seconds of cranking then go as normal, repeat until it starts). I have heard that turning it off while the engine is at 2000rpm or so stops that.

On cars with a manual choke I always push the choke in (keeping it going with the throttle if I need to) before I kill the ignition.

iva cosworth

44,044 posts

186 months

Saturday 3rd March 2012
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kambites said:
What exactly are you expecting to clear out?
Didn't know how to word it better but my car "chugs" a bit when stone cold

but clears after a bit so would not turn it off whilst still "chugging"

Just let it run for a little to get it off "full choke " smile

Jimmyarm

1,962 posts

201 months

Saturday 3rd March 2012
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Your engine will explode in a ball of fire......

You could just park it on the drive the night before you wash it wink

busta

4,504 posts

256 months

Saturday 3rd March 2012
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Assuming the car is actually used through the week and driving in and out of the garage isn't all it does, it's not doing any harm at all. In fact, a short start stop is better than leaving it to idle for 5 minutes, taking it for a 20 minute drive, driving it coast to coast or whatever else people are going to suggest!

busta

4,504 posts

256 months

Saturday 3rd March 2012
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iva cosworth said:
Didn't know how to word it better but my car "chugs" a bit when stone cold

but clears after a bit so would not turn it off whilst still "chugging"

Just let it run for a little to get it off "full choke " smile
If the 'chugging' is bad for it, surely the sooner you switch it off the better? Why would you let it 'chug' for longer than you had to?

kambites

70,742 posts

244 months

Saturday 3rd March 2012
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iva cosworth said:
Didn't know how to word it better but my car "chugs" a bit when stone cold

but clears after a bit so would not turn it off whilst still "chugging"

Just let it run for a little to get it off "full choke " smile
I don't understand why you think it's bad to turn it off why still "chugging"? What exactly do you think it's going to do to the engine?

Patrick Bateman

13,017 posts

197 months

Saturday 3rd March 2012
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Jesus min, it's an engine that'll last hundreds of thousands of miles.

motco

17,350 posts

269 months

Saturday 3rd March 2012
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There is acid condensation evolved from the combustion and this would normally be evaporated off by engine heat. After a brief start it sits in the bores and builds up in the oil causing etching of metal surfaces. So they say....

DJRC

23,563 posts

259 months

Saturday 3rd March 2012
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Will do it fk all damage.

Jesus wept frown

freecar

4,249 posts

210 months

Saturday 3rd March 2012
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varsas said:
Depends on the car.

Some (Nissan Micra's, X308 Jaguars, RX8's, lots actually) really don't like being moved short distances like that and you will effectively flood the engine to the point where it may not start again without whatever special start procedure is needed (foot to the floor in a Jaguar to stop the fuel pump for 10 seconds of cranking then go as normal, repeat until it starts). I have heard that turning it off while the engine is at 2000rpm or so stops that.

On cars with a manual choke I always push the choke in (keeping it going with the throttle if I need to) before I kill the ignition.
This!

Jaguar had tonnes of S types bought to them on low loaders after this very thing, good dealers would start them up there with the 10secs of full throttle to stop the pump and crank it over, rinse repeat etc!

Tha majority of cars will be fine but there's no 100% answer that applies to all cars, try it and see if it works. You wont harm the car in anyway by doing it, it might flood but that's not the end of the world.

Davie_GLA

6,852 posts

222 months

Saturday 3rd March 2012
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Can't believe this has got this far. Wonder how those new fangled cars with stop start technology aren't lining the sides of the roads....

In summary, don't give it a second thought. You've got more chance damaging it while washing it.

StevieB

777 posts

171 months

Saturday 3rd March 2012
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Well, modern company cars get driven 150,000 hard miles by some hot footed rep who treats them with disdain and gives them long life servicing, drives it hard from cold etc and they survive! Cant imagine theres a problem with moving a car a few feet, in the grand scheme of things...

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

269 months

Saturday 3rd March 2012
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versus said:
To wash my car, I have to start it to take it out of the garage and back it up about 20 feet into the driveway where I then turn it off (whole process is about 15 seconds). I plan on doing this weekly.

Is it ok to do this or really bad? I can't roll the car out unfortunately.
Most cars will survive this easily. However, if you do it in some 6-cylinder BMWs you'll find the next time you try to move the car the engine will flood and it won't start.

Many owners have discovered this the hard way...

PJ S

10,842 posts

250 months

Saturday 3rd March 2012
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motco said:
There is acid condensation evolved from the combustion and this would normally be evaporated off by engine heat. After a brief start it sits in the bores and builds up in the oil causing etching of metal surfaces. So they say....
The fact your oil is alkaline, neutralises the acidic compounds as part of the combustion process - see if you can find your oil's TBN figure, and compare to others.
That's a big part of what gives oil its longevity.
Water vapour (condensation) is what is evaporated as the engine temp rises to its designed optimum - but you're not talking litres per minute of the stuff!

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

269 months

Saturday 3rd March 2012
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iva cosworth said:
Petrol bore washing is not good.
^^^^ This is part of the BMW problem. Flooded engine washes the oil from the bores. As a result the piston can't deliver the usual level of compression which makes the already flooded engine even harder to start. It's kept the AA and RAC busy for years!

steve_bmw

1,591 posts

198 months

Saturday 3rd March 2012
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Ozzie Osmond said:
iva cosworth said:
Petrol bore washing is not good.
^^^^ This is part of the BMW problem. Flooded engine washes the oil from the bores. As a result the piston can't deliver the usual level of compression which makes the already flooded engine even harder to start. It's kept the AA and RAC busy for years!
Every 6 pot BMW I have owned has this problem , they don't like to be started then moved a few feet then turned off.
Even though it can't be helped sometimes, I try not to make a habit of it, it's never caused any damage though.