Sensible discussion about disability. Possible?
Discussion
Yet again in GG there is another thread about motability and yet again it is descending into chaos.
On one hand you have the 'give them all a blue mongo wagon' brigade and on the other hand there is the 'my child has XYZ so of course we need 7 seats' brigade.
Will it ever be possible to sensibly discuss disabilities and the role society should have in supporting those who do? Do able-bodie people have the right to an opinion on the subject?
I for one believe the the state should be providing help where required but not in such a way that it is merely to artificially create equality between the less fortunate and those who are able.
On one hand you have the 'give them all a blue mongo wagon' brigade and on the other hand there is the 'my child has XYZ so of course we need 7 seats' brigade.
Will it ever be possible to sensibly discuss disabilities and the role society should have in supporting those who do? Do able-bodie people have the right to an opinion on the subject?
I for one believe the the state should be providing help where required but not in such a way that it is merely to artificially create equality between the less fortunate and those who are able.
Simple anser appears to be "No" I'm afraid.
As can be seen in the Motab threads, too many people are desperately keen to foist their narrow minded selfish little views with little or no regard to the facts.
Unless you can force posters to actually read and absorb what's already been written then they'll just pile in with their prejudices mindlessly.
As can be seen in the Motab threads, too many people are desperately keen to foist their narrow minded selfish little views with little or no regard to the facts.
Unless you can force posters to actually read and absorb what's already been written then they'll just pile in with their prejudices mindlessly.
I suspect the people who receive DLA and use it as intended are tarred with the same brush as the scroungers and misusers who seem to be a significant minority.
It does cost the country a lot of money, and the misusers need to be weeded out. Which seems to be impossible to discuss rationally....
It does cost the country a lot of money, and the misusers need to be weeded out. Which seems to be impossible to discuss rationally....
All disabled people are scroungers or faking it.
Everyone on benefits has a free 40" LCD TV while honest decent working folk have to pay.
People on benefits live a life of luxury raking in more than normal working people so says the Mail!
There, I think I've covered all PH bases, as you were!
Everyone on benefits has a free 40" LCD TV while honest decent working folk have to pay.
People on benefits live a life of luxury raking in more than normal working people so says the Mail!
There, I think I've covered all PH bases, as you were!
The main problem I see is in this day and age few people have experienced real physical hardship and completely take for granted being able to do everything a physically able person can.
I often think it would do everyone the world of good to break a leg, or have some short term issue that would put them on crutches or a wheelchair to give them a wake up call as to what some of us have to deal with on a daily basis.
The majority of people now are so self centred and self obsessed they cannot see outside of their small worlds that others may need something extra, or a little hand up to help.
I also find it strange that anyone mentioning anything to do with race/colour/religion gets jumped on by the hoards telling them you can't say that, your racist etc, yet some of the stuff aimed up us disabled people is just as bad but hey, that's ok, we're just disabled. Feel free to call us all scroungers, slackers and force us into little blue cars, don't worry we'll just do what we normally do and carry on our lives because we have to.
I often think it would do everyone the world of good to break a leg, or have some short term issue that would put them on crutches or a wheelchair to give them a wake up call as to what some of us have to deal with on a daily basis.
The majority of people now are so self centred and self obsessed they cannot see outside of their small worlds that others may need something extra, or a little hand up to help.
I also find it strange that anyone mentioning anything to do with race/colour/religion gets jumped on by the hoards telling them you can't say that, your racist etc, yet some of the stuff aimed up us disabled people is just as bad but hey, that's ok, we're just disabled. Feel free to call us all scroungers, slackers and force us into little blue cars, don't worry we'll just do what we normally do and carry on our lives because we have to.
Willy Nilly said:
swerni said:
They should absolutley be supported, it's part of living in a civilised society.
I think very few in the real world would object.
What people object to is the absolute abuse of the welfare system.
All benefits should also be means tested.
ThisI think very few in the real world would object.
What people object to is the absolute abuse of the welfare system.
All benefits should also be means tested.
Rikk said:
Feel free to call us all scroungers, slackers and force us into little blue cars, don't worry we'll just do what we normally do and carry on our lives because we have to.
That is the sort of reply which often crops up in other threads, very much of a case of 'I'm disabled, how dare you even attempt to criticise me'. It's not you that's being criticised, rather the system that is there to support you and the ease of which some people appear to be able to play it.
swerni said:
mrmr96 said:
swerni said:
Because the whole point of the system should be to support those who need support rather than those who want it.
But what about the people who choose to make themselves needy?
TheFungle said:
It's not you that's being criticised, rather the system that is there to support you and the ease of which some people appear to be able to play it.
But sadly that's not how most people come over, the majority of comments seem to be about the type of cars(free obviously) or even getting a car, very little is pointed at the system or process by which you are graded.I'm all for change, but the current changes that have been put in place are not helping, when I applied for DLA 3 years ago it took me 3 attempts due to having to "know" how to fill the forms in, my issues never changed, just the way they where described on the form. It needs a more flexible way for people to be looked at and graded, rather than lot of tick boxes which has just got worse with the new rules.
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