1976'ish 930 - Anyone got one..?

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The initial message was deleted from this topic on 22 April 2012 at 14:29

[Slippydiff]

Trip to Cyprus required : http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C132142

I know where there's a very original Martini 3.0 Turbo, but it'll be big bucks.

[Henry-F]

I'm not sure why you would specifically be looking for an early 3.0 Turbo. If you want a 930 then I think you will find a better car by casting your net wider.

Henry

[Crimp a Length!]

Slippydiff said:

Trip to Cyprus required : http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C132142

I know where there's a very original Martini 3.0 Turbo, but it'll be big bucks.

That blue car has been for a sale for an age!

[SEE YA]

Goodluck you will need it, prices have gone up a bit.

[Henry-F]

Rotten as a pear.

Crashed.

Again.


And again.


In need of £20k's worth of mechanical work.


And they aren't even that nice to drive.

I'm wondering if the '76 turbos suffered from the same magnesium alloy crankcase foible of the 2.7 engined cars of the era in that they struggled to hold onto their head studs?

I've had lovely examples of pretty much every Porsche produced in the modern era but I can't think of a decent 3.0 turbo in all that time. I've seen some skankers but I can't recall a good one

Good luck.

Henry

[billy964]

good cars in europe are around 60k euros try mobile.de

[MrCooke]

Henry-F said:

I'm wondering if the '76 turbos suffered from the same magnesium alloy crankcase foible of the 2.7 engined cars of the era in that they struggled to hold onto their head

Turbos have an aluminium case like a Carrera 3.0, different to the 2.7 cars.

[POORCARDEALER]

I have seen and driven a lovely early turbo complete with tartan interior...thing of beauty to look at but not a great drive

[Manks]

POORCARDEALER said:

I have seen and driven a lovely early turbo complete with tartan interior...thing of beauty to look at but not a great drive

A succinct summary of the Porsche 930.

[SEE YA]

Its a very small market, for a buyer and seller you must really want one in the first place. There are very few cars that have everything, so you have to put up with a few things. However there is Porsche for everbody's taste and pocket I think.

It puts on smile on my face, so that is the main thing for me.

Buy one if you want to, if its not what you think sell it like Manks did.

There is always another car ?.

[Manks]

SEE YA said:

It puts on smile on my face, so that is the main thing for me.

Yes, but you live in Kent. Lots of nice, straight, Roman roads. No need for cornering, which is not where the 930 excels.

[SEE YA]

Yes that is right, you have to respect the 930 otherwise it will bite you in the backside.

Edited by SEE YA on Monday 5th March 13:18

[Bill Stein]

One of the most rewarding car's to drive is the Porsche 930. The car has to be working correctly though in both in the engine department, and running on fresh shocks, links, brakes etc etc, for it to do it's thing. All it takes is practice, and to learn the car's power delivery to get the best from it. I love the way my car just flings you out of the bends like a sling shot, you just have to time it right to get the best from them and then they are so rewarding and raw to drive it's untrue.
I think to many people give up to soon, rather than try and drive the 930 as it wants to be driven and not how they want to drive it.

[MrCooke]

I think that's it.

A natasp 911 of that era is easy to jump in and drive quickly near the limit. A turbo is very different and it takes time to settle into and get a feel for. The same is true of a GT2 versus a GT3. The 2 is more of a challenge to drive quickly, so doesn't hold the same instant appeal as the 3.

I've probably done under 1000 miles in a 930 and, like Henry, I don't get them. Im sure they must have felt fast in 1976, but now a BMW diesel will woosh you along quicker and that mid range shove is no longer dramatic enough to offset the heaviness of the car compared to a narrow body natasp 911.

I adore a 996 GT2, it took me a while to fall in love, but I did. Maybe one day I'll have a 930 long enough to do the same...

[Crimp a Length!]

I loved my 930 from a looks perspective and i guess if i was a professional driver i would say i like the way it drove too..........
But for average Joe i just couldn't relax in it to enjoy it & even though i wanted to push it, it was in the real world too much like hard work, and once the back end spins out forget it, i was more relaxed in my supersport.

That said from a commercial point of view its the best deal i have ever done, so i'm glad i owned it.

The 3 litre version is slower (3.3 not that quick) and has more lag so never really got the attraction to be honest that said its all subjective and they are very iconic. They also look great polished and sat in the garage!

[mudy]

- they love being hustled in my experience - really belt along and it all makes sense - either that or just pootle along and admire those lovely wide haunches in the side mirrors - there's no inbetween with these cars
But there's a whole heap of balls written about them- mine is admittedly well sorted with refurbed or new everthing that one can do to it but it's never once tried to bite me
Buy one, and wring it's neck and enjoy it!

[Bill Stein]

mudy said:

- they love being hustled in my experience - really belt along and it all makes sense - either that or just pootle along and admire those lovely wide haunches in the side mirrors - there's no inbetween with these cars
But there's a whole heap of balls written about them- mine is admittedly well sorted with refurbed or new everthing that one can do to it but it's never once tried to bite me
Buy one, and wring it's neck and enjoy it!

This all day long!

Fact is a lot of tired 930s running around. It's hugely important that these cars have things sorted to get the most from them. People spend oodles (or not in some cases) having the motor's tuned etc, but wonder why the car is crap around corners. I stripped everthing from the underside of my 930, and i mean everything. Gave the shell a deep clean to reveal all that lovely white factory underseal then everything was powder coated, zinc plated, restored and replaced to factory fresh, thats every bearing, bush, link, spring plates, shocks, calipers, everything. Nothing was left to chance. After this the motor was stripped and rebuilt, new clutch, tinware, exhaust, heat exchangers etc etc. Only then did i turn to sorting minor cosmetics and the interior. The car is a dream to own and drive, but only because it now does what Porsche intended and it probabley feels better than the day it left Stuttgart in 1989. I think the biggest single let down is a 930 on 25, 30, or 35 year old running gear. Only when it's brought back do you realise how these cars should feel, handle and perform. The drivers who raced the first Porsche Turbo's had to totally re think their driving style to get the most from the car's on the circuit. But when they did they were unstoppable!! Buy one, bring it up to stratch and learn what the car want's from it's pilot and nothing is better. Pure joy!

[SEE YA]

Bill Stein said:

mudy said:

- they love being hustled in my experience - really belt along and it all makes sense - either that or just pootle along and admire those lovely wide haunches in the side mirrors - there's no inbetween with these cars
But there's a whole heap of balls written about them- mine is admittedly well sorted with refurbed or new everthing that one can do to it but it's never once tried to bite me
Buy one, and wring it's neck and enjoy it!

This all day long!

Fact is a lot of tired 930s running around. It's hugely important that these cars have things sorted to get the most from them. People spend oodles (or not in some cases) having the motor's tuned etc, but wonder why the car is crap around corners. I stripped everthing from the underside of my 930, and i mean everything. Gave the shell a deep clean to reveal all that lovely white factory underseal then everything was powder coated, zinc plated, restored and replaced to factory fresh, thats every bearing, bush, link, spring plates, shocks, calipers, everything. Nothing was left to chance. After this the motor was stripped and rebuilt, new clutch, tinware, exhaust, heat exchangers etc etc. Only then did i turn to sorting minor cosmetics and the interior. The car is a dream to own and drive, but only because it now does what Porsche intended and it probabley feels better than the day it left Stuttgart in 1989. I think the biggest single let down is a 930 on 25, 30, or 35 year old running gear. Only when it's brought back do you realise how these cars should feel, handle and perform. The drivers who raced the first Porsche Turbo's had to totally re think their driving style to get the most from the car's on the circuit. But when they did they were unstoppable!! Buy one, bring it up to stratch and learn what the car want's from it's pilot and nothing is better. Pure joy!

+1 that is the reason a lot of worn 930's turn up, as some owners use them and spend no money on them. However sooner or later an owner, will have to spend money on the car.
You have to spend money on them, as each year things get worn out and need replacing.
Items like bushes, shocks brakes etc are so often overlooked as the cost is high.

Done them on mine not cheap.

Edited by SEE YA on Monday 5th March 22:36

[Henry-F]

One of the last 930s I dove was a car we'd just spent around £20k on a mechanical restoration. It was a good car before, one of he best afterwards. As I drove along in the car I was asking myself if I felt like keeping it and putting it in the shed.

As soon as I got back to base it was photographed and sold. There are, in my humble opinion, far better driving Porsches, the GT2 mentioned in a previous post being one of them within the turbo charged Porsche family. I do feel an affinity to the 1970s / 80s Porsches, I cut my teeth on them and as already said whilst I have strong memories of driving turbos of the era they aren't something I would want to own.

Henry