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1,500 caught in speeding swoop
Clarissa Satchell
HUNDREDS of drivers can expect speeding tickets to drop through their letterboxes in the next few days after mobile cameras were set up at new spots in a two-week sweep.
Police used them all over Greater Manchester to target 49 roads and, out of 27,946 drivers checked, 1,566 were speeding.
If each is fined the minimum £30, the campaign should bring in £46,980 to the Greater Manchester Speed Camera Partnership.
The partnership chose the spots for checks after hearing complaints from residents about speeding on roads which do not qualify for full-time cameras. It says the results prove drivers are putting lives at risk by breaking the speed limits there.
But the Association of British Drivers claims cameras do not lead to a fall in deaths - and that the operation will only generate extra cash to buy more cameras.
The Speed Camera Partnership, which includes members of the police and local authority, issued a list of where the mobile cameras would be to warn motorists before the two-week project.
Danger
Road Safety Officer Brian Wood said: "Excess speed does affect people's lives and many are fearful of leading their children out into the roads because of this. There is danger to all road users and our campaign has been necessary because of this genuine concern in the communities of Greater Manchester."
To qualify for a permanent camera, a road has to have had a minimum number of deaths and serious injury accidents in the past two years.
Cash raised by speed cameras is used to pay for the running costs and staffing of the partnerships and to install further cameras.
Tony Vickers from the Association of British Drivers, said: "We disapprove of these cameras. A lot of people call for them because they think they will reduce speeding but that is not the case unfortunately.
"People tend to concentrate less on driving well and more on slowing down near cameras to avoid getting a ticket. We believe interactive signs flashing up your speed and police patrols are far more effective.
"Putting a camera somewhere over two weeks will never reduce deaths or accidents. It will not stop the joy-riders and the drunk drivers. All it will do is annoy responsible drivers."
Emma Reynolds, from Drivesafe, the official name for the Greater Manchester Speed Camera Partnership, said: "I think the message is getting through because out of the number of vehicles checked, a relatively small number were over the speed limit.
"We have to operate within very strict government guidelines."
Should we have more speed cameras on our roads?
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1,500 caught in speeding swoop
Clarissa Satchell
HUNDREDS of drivers can expect speeding tickets to drop through their letterboxes in the next few days after mobile cameras were set up at new spots in a two-week sweep.
Police used them all over Greater Manchester to target 49 roads and, out of 27,946 drivers checked, 1,566 were speeding.
If each is fined the minimum £30, the campaign should bring in £46,980 to the Greater Manchester Speed Camera Partnership.
The partnership chose the spots for checks after hearing complaints from residents about speeding on roads which do not qualify for full-time cameras. It says the results prove drivers are putting lives at risk by breaking the speed limits there.
But the Association of British Drivers claims cameras do not lead to a fall in deaths - and that the operation will only generate extra cash to buy more cameras.
The Speed Camera Partnership, which includes members of the police and local authority, issued a list of where the mobile cameras would be to warn motorists before the two-week project.
Danger
Road Safety Officer Brian Wood said: "Excess speed does affect people's lives and many are fearful of leading their children out into the roads because of this. There is danger to all road users and our campaign has been necessary because of this genuine concern in the communities of Greater Manchester."
To qualify for a permanent camera, a road has to have had a minimum number of deaths and serious injury accidents in the past two years.
Cash raised by speed cameras is used to pay for the running costs and staffing of the partnerships and to install further cameras.
Tony Vickers from the Association of British Drivers, said: "We disapprove of these cameras. A lot of people call for them because they think they will reduce speeding but that is not the case unfortunately.
"People tend to concentrate less on driving well and more on slowing down near cameras to avoid getting a ticket. We believe interactive signs flashing up your speed and police patrols are far more effective.
"Putting a camera somewhere over two weeks will never reduce deaths or accidents. It will not stop the joy-riders and the drunk drivers. All it will do is annoy responsible drivers."
Emma Reynolds, from Drivesafe, the official name for the Greater Manchester Speed Camera Partnership, said: "I think the message is getting through because out of the number of vehicles checked, a relatively small number were over the speed limit.
"We have to operate within very strict government guidelines."
Should we have more speed cameras on our roads?
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Yes, definately....
More speed cameras and less Nazi Traffic Cops.....
Afterall, there's no point getting your friend out of the car and asking the Gatso for a pen and paper is there? (See the thread "One for Bibs and Solicitors")
Street
>> Edited by Streetcop on Friday 16th July 09:43
More speed cameras and less Nazi Traffic Cops.....
Afterall, there's no point getting your friend out of the car and asking the Gatso for a pen and paper is there? (See the thread "One for Bibs and Solicitors")
Street
>> Edited by Streetcop on Friday 16th July 09:43
Streetcop said:
I think speed can safely be associated with KSI accidents...
Street
Not directly Gary, If somebody stepped off the road in front of me and I hit them they will be K or SI even if I was doing 25mph in a 30mph zone. Granted the higher the accident speed the greater the risk of K or SI, however the accident speed does not necessarily relate to the 'free driving speed'.
kevinday said:
I think speed can safely be associated with KSI accidents...
Street
Not directly Gary, If somebody stepped off the road in front of me and I hit them they will be K or SI even if I was doing 25mph in a 30mph zone. Granted the higher the accident speed the greater the risk of K or SI, however the accident speed does not necessarily relate to the 'free driving speed'.
I'm with you on that Kevin, I'm thinking more about vehicular accidents and the KSI associated with such.
Street
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Then, bind and gag Antoine Wilsonne and send him via genetically modified pelican to the fair city of Liverpool, therein to be deposited in front of 'the kop' on a blustery, autumnal 'noon, at about 2.50 PM, the aforementioned impressario adorned in the paraphenalia of 'the Stretford end' and a placcard affixed about his person - in Die Hard 3 stylee - informing the gathered throngs of 'puddlians that in his esteemed opinion, they are to a man, students of the sexual creed of the estate Bulsara.
Then, uniquely roused, invite the scouse hoardes to march on Mad-chest-oh, overthrow it's unapologetically dire, communist council, impose Degsy (in his newfound role as born-again capitalist supremo) as Chariman thereof and begin a campaign to usurp the national govenrment for no other reason than the glorious installation of Sir Kenneth Dodd, KBE, at the Chancery and the consequent levying of his particular brand of tax regime.
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That'll be £5 to mind yer car, mister...
Then, bind and gag Antoine Wilsonne and send him via genetically modified pelican to the fair city of Liverpool, therein to be deposited in front of 'the kop' on a blustery, autumnal 'noon, at about 2.50 PM, the aforementioned impressario adorned in the paraphenalia of 'the Stretford end' and a placcard affixed about his person - in Die Hard 3 stylee - informing the gathered throngs of 'puddlians that in his esteemed opinion, they are to a man, students of the sexual creed of the estate Bulsara.
Then, uniquely roused, invite the scouse hoardes to march on Mad-chest-oh, overthrow it's unapologetically dire, communist council, impose Degsy (in his newfound role as born-again capitalist supremo) as Chariman thereof and begin a campaign to usurp the national govenrment for no other reason than the glorious installation of Sir Kenneth Dodd, KBE, at the Chancery and the consequent levying of his particular brand of tax regime.
Sensible policies for a commie-free, scouse dominated, low tax economy.
That'll be £5 to mind yer car, mister...
m-five said:
And of those 1566 that were speeding, how many caused an accident?
If there wasn't an accident that day, then surely excess speed is not the cause of accidents!
I can not fault your statisics.
In fact in the search for the RED X in shainin techniques we are force to discount speed in this exeptionally large sample.
m-five said:
And of those 1566 that were speeding, how many caused an accident?
If there wasn't an accident that day, then surely excess speed is not the cause of accidents!
Isn't that 1566 lives saved?
I know one of the roads that was targetted and the council have already covered it in paint and built crossing islands. It wasn't a particulary fast road before but a girl was killed by an MR2 (don't know if the driver was speeding) , so there was a bit of an outcry by local residents swiftly followed by the usual kneejerk reactions to the accident.
I think we could do a lot more for road safety by passing the blame onto pedestrians who should have to cross busy roads at crossings.
When someone is run over on a railway track the train driver doesn't get blamed.
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