Senna film bandwagon?
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The James Hunt/Nicky Lauda years.
One wonders just how good it will be. The story is there but will they make a pig's ear of it?
The James Hunt/Nicky Lauda years.
One wonders just how good it will be. The story is there but will they make a pig's ear of it?
Derek Smith said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-21119...
The James Hunt/Nicky Lauda years.
One wonders just how good it will be. The story is there but will they make a pig's ear of it?
Ron Howard is a good director; and the fact that he's going to film at the correct tracks, rather than just going to somewhere in California and pretending, is certainly positive.The James Hunt/Nicky Lauda years.
One wonders just how good it will be. The story is there but will they make a pig's ear of it?
Derek, there was a thread running in this forum, that has now been moved to the thames valley forum (I think) about the filming at Blackbushe Airport.
If you can't find it, get to it via Autosport.com>forums>the nostalgia forum> look for the thread "rush, the lauda/hunt movie" (or something similar) and find the link to the pictures.
It looks to be a very accurate portrayal.
Niki Lauda has been a consultant throughout the process, Alistair Caldwell has been on set to advise on the pits scenes and the background stuff.
I'm looking forward to it. Ron Howard is a perfectionist and seems to be a fan. The Senna film was made by two unknowns who happened to get the family's permission.
If you can't find it, get to it via Autosport.com>forums>the nostalgia forum> look for the thread "rush, the lauda/hunt movie" (or something similar) and find the link to the pictures.
It looks to be a very accurate portrayal.
Niki Lauda has been a consultant throughout the process, Alistair Caldwell has been on set to advise on the pits scenes and the background stuff.
I'm looking forward to it. Ron Howard is a perfectionist and seems to be a fan. The Senna film was made by two unknowns who happened to get the family's permission.
JLJ said:
I was offered a part in this, but it was too small a role. I do have friend of mine on set this week, he has a small role in it. I'll try and get some info.
Don't tell me, you turned down the part of Jochen Mass. You just couldn't bear the thought of playing No.2 in the team.I did an interview recently with Dan Collins who has had some involvement through his position in FIA HFO. He was very complimentary about the approach they were taking WRT historical accuracy. It may not be perfect, but I think the intention of the film is sound and it shouldn't just be a glossy blockbuster in the Stallone style of things. I'm looking forward to it!
All the posts have been very positive. Can't wait.
I liked Lauda, at least when he was racing. Went off him afterwards a bit as he seemed to be a bit bitter.
I underrated Hunt. With a bit of distance in time and being able to review what he accomplished on the track I can see that I was wrong.
Loved him as a commentator of course, apart from his blind spot with regards Patrese. That could irritate. Small problem though compared to how enjoyable his views were.
I liked Lauda, at least when he was racing. Went off him afterwards a bit as he seemed to be a bit bitter.
I underrated Hunt. With a bit of distance in time and being able to review what he accomplished on the track I can see that I was wrong.
Loved him as a commentator of course, apart from his blind spot with regards Patrese. That could irritate. Small problem though compared to how enjoyable his views were.
You can't compare the 2...
Senna was a film documentary made up of head/shoulder narrative and archive footage. It seems this new film is a bio/style film with actors playing the parts of the leading figures - so no comparision.
Senna was never planned to be entertaining, it was an informative and very moving film, even more moving due to the circumstances in which Senna passed away. This film about James Hunt will be funded by the big wigs in Hollywood as entertainment. Yes, Apollo 13 was a great film, but it was not a bio/documentary piece of work, it was entertainment through and through.
There has never been a great racing film since Grand Prix. Some have tried, but none have come close. Let's hope that Howard does a good job, but will the studio tweak the truth? Remember this is a Hollywood film, Senna wasn't.
Senna was a film documentary made up of head/shoulder narrative and archive footage. It seems this new film is a bio/style film with actors playing the parts of the leading figures - so no comparision.
Senna was never planned to be entertaining, it was an informative and very moving film, even more moving due to the circumstances in which Senna passed away. This film about James Hunt will be funded by the big wigs in Hollywood as entertainment. Yes, Apollo 13 was a great film, but it was not a bio/documentary piece of work, it was entertainment through and through.
There has never been a great racing film since Grand Prix. Some have tried, but none have come close. Let's hope that Howard does a good job, but will the studio tweak the truth? Remember this is a Hollywood film, Senna wasn't.
LamboFan said:
You can't compare the 2...
Senna was a film documentary made up of head/shoulder narrative and archive footage. It seems this new film is a bio/style film with actors playing the parts of the leading figures - so no comparision.
Senna was never planned to be entertaining, it was an informative and very moving film, even more moving due to the circumstances in which Senna passed away. This film about James Hunt will be funded by the big wigs in Hollywood as entertainment. Yes, Apollo 13 was a great film, but it was not a bio/documentary piece of work, it was entertainment through and through.
There has never been a great racing film since Grand Prix. Some have tried, but none have come close. Let's hope that Howard does a good job, but will the studio tweak the truth? Remember this is a Hollywood film, Senna wasn't.
It may not have been a "Hollywood" film but "Sena" certainly tweaked the truth a bit too - which is even worse because it was SUPPOSED to be a documentary.Senna was a film documentary made up of head/shoulder narrative and archive footage. It seems this new film is a bio/style film with actors playing the parts of the leading figures - so no comparision.
Senna was never planned to be entertaining, it was an informative and very moving film, even more moving due to the circumstances in which Senna passed away. This film about James Hunt will be funded by the big wigs in Hollywood as entertainment. Yes, Apollo 13 was a great film, but it was not a bio/documentary piece of work, it was entertainment through and through.
There has never been a great racing film since Grand Prix. Some have tried, but none have come close. Let's hope that Howard does a good job, but will the studio tweak the truth? Remember this is a Hollywood film, Senna wasn't.
LamboFan said:
Eric Mc said:
It may not have been a "Hollywood" film but "Sena" certainly tweaked the truth a bit too - which is even worse because it was SUPPOSED to be a documentary.
Where was the truth 'tweaked' ?Anyway, it's been discussed many times elsewhere on PH and I don't want to pull this thread of topic.
Eric Mc said:
It was tweaked mainly by omission. It left out far too much pertinent information abouty his rivals and other non-Prost/Ballestre related clashes - of which there were many.
Anyway, it's been discussed many times elsewhere on PH and I don't want to pull this thread of topic.
As said by Eric, error by omission, not deceit.Anyway, it's been discussed many times elsewhere on PH and I don't want to pull this thread of topic.
WRT Rush I hope it is a good film. I will be watching it anyway but we could do with a proper racing film.
Lauda has certainly been consulted about it, apparently he’s being sued over it according to something I read a week or so back!
I enjoyed Senna at face value.
It was very much 'pro-Senna' and considering where a lot of the backbone of the film was sourced, that was hardly suprising.
I think it was very 'summary-esque' but it is basically impossible to squeeze all of the interesting bits into 1hr and 35 minutes. It missed a lot of the depth of his personality eg. going to the scene of the Donnoley (sp) accident, and pulling over to help someone (I forget who) at Spa - partly due to his natural compassion as a human, but also his deep fascination/obsession with the danger of the sport and his need to understand it.
I do think it omits certain facts (truth is something different), which probably skew the position to make Senna look like a completely innocent victim of persecution, when in fact he did bring an element of it on himself (though other elements were Balestre being...ahem...stereotypically gallic shall we say) - he was always bloody ruthless/occasionally a danger to those around him evben in junior formulae.
It was very much 'pro-Senna' and considering where a lot of the backbone of the film was sourced, that was hardly suprising.
I think it was very 'summary-esque' but it is basically impossible to squeeze all of the interesting bits into 1hr and 35 minutes. It missed a lot of the depth of his personality eg. going to the scene of the Donnoley (sp) accident, and pulling over to help someone (I forget who) at Spa - partly due to his natural compassion as a human, but also his deep fascination/obsession with the danger of the sport and his need to understand it.
I do think it omits certain facts (truth is something different), which probably skew the position to make Senna look like a completely innocent victim of persecution, when in fact he did bring an element of it on himself (though other elements were Balestre being...ahem...stereotypically gallic shall we say) - he was always bloody ruthless/occasionally a danger to those around him evben in junior formulae.
Vocal Minority said:
I think it was very 'summary-esque' but it is basically impossible to squeeze all of the interesting bits into 1hr and 35 minutes. It missed a lot of the depth of his personality eg. going to the scene of the Donnoley (sp) accident, and pulling over to help someone (I forget who) at Spa - partly due to his natural compassion as a human, but also his deep fascination/obsession with the danger of the sport and his need to understand it.
I haven't got it yet, but the extended DVD with extra disc covers a lot more than the normal film and also includes details about the crash you mentioned above, so I think that'll balance out the film.Having said that, I know Senna was 'hard' on the race track, but I don't think he ever cheated in my mind, he was only doing what he felt was right at the time. That's very different to someone like Schumacher, who on more than one occasion deliberately drove a competitor off the track and then denied it afterwards. Senna at least had the balls to explain the infamous incident with him and Prost in the Ferrari after the race (in fact some would also say before the race too) even if we didn't agree with him, at least he told it as it was.
I also remember a documentary that the BBC did following the McLaren team many years ago now, they were running the car in free practice and Senna came back in and said to his engineers that there was a problem with the engine, but they told him the telemetry showed nothing. There was then a heated argument and Dennis said, just replace the engine. The said engine was then taken back to the factory and dismantled and it turned out there was a hairline crack in one of the valves if I remember correctly - telemetry couldn't pick it up but Senna could...
He'll always be someone very special in my eyes, he was also the first person I knew (even if I never met him) that made me cry when I realised he was dead - a powerful presence, just wish I'd had the chance to meet the man in person...
The same can also be said of Hunt, one of the few F1 drivers that I've taken the time to read an autobiography on, again a man who was taken all too soon, even if he lived as fast as he raced - true brit through and through, so probably will watch the film on it's release...
Edited by LamboFan on Thursday 8th March 17:18
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