I wonder if this will eventualy effect us
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I witnessed an increase in roadside car fires after "gasohol" was introduced in the US a few decades ago.
About 15 years ago I replaced the fuel hoses in my car with rubber-lined braided stainless steel hoses. The garage soon smelled of fuel and my wife expressed her concern and displeasure. There were no leaks, so I began investigating the new hoses. I contacted Earls, Aeroquip, and Russel. They all said the same thing - the additives in modern gasoline attacked the rubber hose, and the vapors from those additives would pass right through the hose, even when new. This caused my garage to smell like an explosion waiting to happen. All 3 companies advised using Teflon lined hose.
One of the tech guys laughed a little when he told me that the fuel situation had completely reversed - it used to be that ordinary gasoline was benign and it was the race fuel that attacked hoses. Now it is the ordinary gasoline that does more damage.
Jeff
About 15 years ago I replaced the fuel hoses in my car with rubber-lined braided stainless steel hoses. The garage soon smelled of fuel and my wife expressed her concern and displeasure. There were no leaks, so I began investigating the new hoses. I contacted Earls, Aeroquip, and Russel. They all said the same thing - the additives in modern gasoline attacked the rubber hose, and the vapors from those additives would pass right through the hose, even when new. This caused my garage to smell like an explosion waiting to happen. All 3 companies advised using Teflon lined hose.
One of the tech guys laughed a little when he told me that the fuel situation had completely reversed - it used to be that ordinary gasoline was benign and it was the race fuel that attacked hoses. Now it is the ordinary gasoline that does more damage.
Jeff
Ah now this is something I know a little about, well I do blend race fuel for a living.
Methanol & Ethanol are and have been in noraml road fuels for sometime and the will "soak through" anything plastic over time. There are still a few refineries that dont include methanol but ethanol is there and it is going to be an issue as the ratio increases.
There is no easy answer to this other than to replace everything that comes into contact eith the fuel, which is what race teams have had to do.
I agree with XLRONYX's hose guy about race fuels as they are the only way you can be sure the above isnt present but it comes at a price.
Methanol & Ethanol are and have been in noraml road fuels for sometime and the will "soak through" anything plastic over time. There are still a few refineries that dont include methanol but ethanol is there and it is going to be an issue as the ratio increases.
There is no easy answer to this other than to replace everything that comes into contact eith the fuel, which is what race teams have had to do.
I agree with XLRONYX's hose guy about race fuels as they are the only way you can be sure the above isnt present but it comes at a price.
In a simple answer no. As it says in the advert it is for:
Prevents corrosion in the fuel system & internal engine components
Protects against gum & resin build-up & carbon deposits
Prevents clogged carburettors, injectors, filters & fuel lines
Compatible with 2 & 4 stroke petrol engines
Stabilizes Ethanol-blended fuels
None of this will stop the Ethanol attacking components and plastics. Basically it looks like a re-branded fuel cleaner to me. Whilst I wouldnt say it isnt any good at cleaning the fuel system out I dont think it will do a thing for anything else.
Prevents corrosion in the fuel system & internal engine components
Protects against gum & resin build-up & carbon deposits
Prevents clogged carburettors, injectors, filters & fuel lines
Compatible with 2 & 4 stroke petrol engines
Stabilizes Ethanol-blended fuels
None of this will stop the Ethanol attacking components and plastics. Basically it looks like a re-branded fuel cleaner to me. Whilst I wouldnt say it isnt any good at cleaning the fuel system out I dont think it will do a thing for anything else.
sunoco69 said:
In a simple answer no. As it says in the advert it is for:
Prevents corrosion in the fuel system & internal engine components
Protects against gum & resin build-up & carbon deposits
Prevents clogged carburettors, injectors, filters & fuel lines
Compatible with 2 & 4 stroke petrol engines
Stabilizes Ethanol-blended fuels
None of this will stop the Ethanol attacking components and plastics. Basically it looks like a re-branded fuel cleaner to me. Whilst I wouldnt say it isnt any good at cleaning the fuel system out I dont think it will do a thing for anything else.
Did anyone see an old Fifth Gear - VBH (I think it was?) test of a range of fuel additives? Not one maker's claim was proven and AFAIR ALL products reduced fuel consumption. The test included leading brands. My suggestion - spend the money on super unleaded fuel instead.Prevents corrosion in the fuel system & internal engine components
Protects against gum & resin build-up & carbon deposits
Prevents clogged carburettors, injectors, filters & fuel lines
Compatible with 2 & 4 stroke petrol engines
Stabilizes Ethanol-blended fuels
None of this will stop the Ethanol attacking components and plastics. Basically it looks like a re-branded fuel cleaner to me. Whilst I wouldnt say it isnt any good at cleaning the fuel system out I dont think it will do a thing for anything else.
AMG Merc said:
Did anyone see an old Fifth Gear - VBH (I think it was?) test of a range of fuel additives? Not one maker's claim was proven and AFAIR ALL products reduced fuel consumption. The test included leading brands. My suggestion - spend the money on super unleaded fuel instead.
But that wont stop you're fuel system desolving sunoco69 said:
In a simple answer no. As it says in the advert it is for:
Prevents corrosion in the fuel system & internal engine components
Protects against gum & resin build-up & carbon deposits
Prevents clogged carburettors, injectors, filters & fuel lines
Compatible with 2 & 4 stroke petrol engines
Stabilizes Ethanol-blended fuels
None of this will stop the Ethanol attacking components and plastics. Basically it looks like a re-branded fuel cleaner to me. Whilst I wouldnt say it isnt any good at cleaning the fuel system out I dont think it will do a thing for anything else.
I guessed as much.Prevents corrosion in the fuel system & internal engine components
Protects against gum & resin build-up & carbon deposits
Prevents clogged carburettors, injectors, filters & fuel lines
Compatible with 2 & 4 stroke petrol engines
Stabilizes Ethanol-blended fuels
None of this will stop the Ethanol attacking components and plastics. Basically it looks like a re-branded fuel cleaner to me. Whilst I wouldnt say it isnt any good at cleaning the fuel system out I dont think it will do a thing for anything else.
Bring back 4 star is what I say!
J
AMG Merc said:
Did anyone see an old Fifth Gear - VBH (I think it was?) test of a range of fuel additives? Not one maker's claim was proven and AFAIR ALL products reduced fuel consumption. The test included leading brands. My suggestion - spend the money on super unleaded fuel instead.
Much the same for these "Octane Boosters" I have seen test results with these that actually lowered the octane!!!Best advice is if your on the street just use normal road fuel. If your on trackdays use super unleaded (97 octane) as long as you dont suffer from high engine temps or your not to serious. If your racing, really trackday keen and/or your engine temps are high then use a pure race fuel. That way you can map your engine to the fuel and every tank will perform the same, the engine will run cooler and be protected from detonation, your acceleration will be better because the fuel burns more completely allowing for a faster increase in RPM. Downside is race fuel isnt cheap.
AMG Merc said:
sunoco69 said:
In a simple answer no. As it says in the advert it is for:
Prevents corrosion in the fuel system & internal engine components
Protects against gum & resin build-up & carbon deposits
Prevents clogged carburettors, injectors, filters & fuel lines
Compatible with 2 & 4 stroke petrol engines
Stabilizes Ethanol-blended fuels
None of this will stop the Ethanol attacking components and plastics. Basically it looks like a re-branded fuel cleaner to me. Whilst I wouldnt say it isnt any good at cleaning the fuel system out I dont think it will do a thing for anything else.
Did anyone see an old Fifth Gear - VBH (I think it was?) test of a range of fuel additives? Not one maker's claim was proven and AFAIR ALL products reduced fuel consumption. The test included leading brands. My suggestion - spend the money on super unleaded fuel instead.Prevents corrosion in the fuel system & internal engine components
Protects against gum & resin build-up & carbon deposits
Prevents clogged carburettors, injectors, filters & fuel lines
Compatible with 2 & 4 stroke petrol engines
Stabilizes Ethanol-blended fuels
None of this will stop the Ethanol attacking components and plastics. Basically it looks like a re-branded fuel cleaner to me. Whilst I wouldnt say it isnt any good at cleaning the fuel system out I dont think it will do a thing for anything else.
so you will loose power - it only works on engines that are overadvanced
Gadgeroonie said:
increased octane fuels take longer to burn - so the ignition is effectively retarded
so you will loose power - it only works on engines that are overadvanced
Not strictly true. Higher octane allows you to raise the compression ratio thereby increasing power. Octane rating is not a measure of energy content or heating value. Some fuels have the octane raised by adding ethanol and this does reduce the energy content.so you will loose power - it only works on engines that are overadvanced
the following link explains it fairly well: www.aaoil.co.uk/racing-Q-A
playalistic said:
I'm a dullard. Are you saying it isn't worth running v-power in the nob?
For noraml use no! The only advantage is that you may get some slightly better detergents in it which may keep your engine slightly cleaner. But if you are looking for power and/or performance then no, it wont do a thing.sunoco69 said:
Gadgeroonie said:
increased octane fuels take longer to burn - so the ignition is effectively retarded
so you will loose power - it only works on engines that are overadvanced
Not strictly true. Higher octane allows you to raise the compression ratio thereby increasing power. Octane rating is not a measure of energy content or heating value. Some fuels have the octane raised by adding ethanol and this does reduce the energy content.so you will loose power - it only works on engines that are overadvanced
the following link explains it fairly well: www.aaoil.co.uk/racing-Q-A
you can take advantage of the higher octane fuel when you are mapping - but you need to use that fuel from there on
a higher octane fuel than the one that you have mapped the car on will give you a safety margin and make the engine more det resistant.
if you have an engine that is limited on power by detonation then race fuel / octane booster can let you add more ignition and make more power - quite considerably more power if the engine is detting on one cylinder and has no individual cylinder ignition trims
i always suggest a road car to be mapped on the lowest octane super unleaded eg 97 - so the engine will always be safe if you have to fill up on lower octane stuff
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