'88 Pug 205 GTI clutch cable
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Hi,
Just wondering if anyone can help with this. The month my car was built in 1988 the clutch cable was changed on the 205 GTI. I have a choice of two parts and have been struggling to find out which one is the correct part.
The part number is either QCC1322 or QCC1370. The latter being the shorter of the two.
Picture from under the car... if that helps!
Why pic no worky?
Just wondering if anyone can help with this. The month my car was built in 1988 the clutch cable was changed on the 205 GTI. I have a choice of two parts and have been struggling to find out which one is the correct part.
The part number is either QCC1322 or QCC1370. The latter being the shorter of the two.
Picture from under the car... if that helps!
Why pic no worky?
Edited by Road Pest on Monday 12th March 11:01
I had a look on Peugeot's "Servicebox" site - their parts/diagram site which you can easily register on for personal use. It contains diagrams and part numbers for all their recent cars for free. Don't think I could keep my 106 going without it.
Then I just had a google of your QCC part #'s and there was an eBay auction specifying which one matched which Pug part number.
Then I just had a google of your QCC part #'s and there was an eBay auction specifying which one matched which Pug part number.
From memory the change came when they moved from BE1 --> BE3 gearboxes.. The BE3 being identified by having a collar that required lifting to get reverse...
What happened to good old proper Partsmen in Dealerships that knew this stuff off the top of their heads? Oh I know we got hacked off at being at the bottom of the food chain and moved on, along with our knowledge
What happened to good old proper Partsmen in Dealerships that knew this stuff off the top of their heads? Oh I know we got hacked off at being at the bottom of the food chain and moved on, along with our knowledge
750turbo said:
From memory the change came when they moved from BE1 --> BE3 gearboxes.. The BE3 being identified by having a collar that required lifting to get reverse...
Wrong way round... The BE1 gearbox is the earlier one with lift up reverse next to 1st gear. BE3 is the later gearbox type on the newer 205's with reverse below 5th gear.So OP, do you have reverse next to 1st gear or is reverse below 5th gear on your 205?
Pet Troll said:
750turbo said:
From memory the change came when they moved from BE1 --> BE3 gearboxes.. The BE3 being identified by having a collar that required lifting to get reverse...
Wrong way round... The BE1 gearbox is the earlier one with lift up reverse next to 1st gear. BE3 is the later gearbox type on the newer 205's with reverse below 5th gear.So OP, do you have reverse next to 1st gear or is reverse below 5th gear on your 205?
Pet Troll said:
Wrong way round... The BE1 gearbox is the earlier one with lift up reverse next to 1st gear. BE3 is the later gearbox type on the newer 205's with reverse below 5th gear.
So OP, do you have reverse next to 1st gear or is reverse below 5th gear on your 205?
It's the lift up reverse next to first gear. Thanks for all the help guys.So OP, do you have reverse next to 1st gear or is reverse below 5th gear on your 205?
Careful, as there is a third variant of clutch cable used on late BE1 models which many parts suppliers don't list and is potentially what is needed on yours depending on whether it is a late or early '88 (typically it is what is fitted on '89 models for example).
The easiest way to identify them is the early cable is a black twist fitting where it goes into the pedal box, whereas the late cable uses the BE3 style white push-fit with a rubber grommit.
An '88 205 GTi would be BE1 as standard, although it may have been swapped to a BE3 gearbox as many have over the years - if it has, you should check whether the job was done properly and a BE3 pedal and cable installed at the same time (BE1 pedal/cable uses a clevis pin, BE3 cable/pedal uses a hook arrangement)
If it is still running a BE1, check that the clutch arm quadrant isn't seized as that makes the pedal heavy and eventually snaps the cable, although if it's original then it's probably just failed due to age. Also, BE1's have a pin around an inch or so long that sits between the quadrant and the arm coming out of the gearbox, and that tends to fall out when the cable snaps... and without it, you'll not get the clutch to work properly with the new cable.
The joy of French cars - even what should be straight forward jobs are nothing of the sort
The easiest way to identify them is the early cable is a black twist fitting where it goes into the pedal box, whereas the late cable uses the BE3 style white push-fit with a rubber grommit.
An '88 205 GTi would be BE1 as standard, although it may have been swapped to a BE3 gearbox as many have over the years - if it has, you should check whether the job was done properly and a BE3 pedal and cable installed at the same time (BE1 pedal/cable uses a clevis pin, BE3 cable/pedal uses a hook arrangement)
If it is still running a BE1, check that the clutch arm quadrant isn't seized as that makes the pedal heavy and eventually snaps the cable, although if it's original then it's probably just failed due to age. Also, BE1's have a pin around an inch or so long that sits between the quadrant and the arm coming out of the gearbox, and that tends to fall out when the cable snaps... and without it, you'll not get the clutch to work properly with the new cable.
The joy of French cars - even what should be straight forward jobs are nothing of the sort
powerandtorque said:
Careful, as there is a third variant of clutch cable used on late BE1 models which many parts suppliers don't list and is potentially what is needed on yours depending on whether it is a late or early '88 (typically it is what is fitted on '89 models for example).
The easiest way to identify them is the early cable is a black twist fitting where it goes into the pedal box, whereas the late cable uses the BE3 style white push-fit with a rubber grommit.
An '88 205 GTi would be BE1 as standard, although it may have been swapped to a BE3 gearbox as many have over the years - if it has, you should check whether the job was done properly and a BE3 pedal and cable installed at the same time (BE1 pedal/cable uses a clevis pin, BE3 cable/pedal uses a hook arrangement)
If it is still running a BE1, check that the clutch arm quadrant isn't seized as that makes the pedal heavy and eventually snaps the cable, although if it's original then it's probably just failed due to age. Also, BE1's have a pin around an inch or so long that sits between the quadrant and the arm coming out of the gearbox, and that tends to fall out when the cable snaps... and without it, you'll not get the clutch to work properly with the new cable.
The joy of French cars - even what should be straight forward jobs are nothing of the sort
Brilliant!! The easiest way to identify them is the early cable is a black twist fitting where it goes into the pedal box, whereas the late cable uses the BE3 style white push-fit with a rubber grommit.
An '88 205 GTi would be BE1 as standard, although it may have been swapped to a BE3 gearbox as many have over the years - if it has, you should check whether the job was done properly and a BE3 pedal and cable installed at the same time (BE1 pedal/cable uses a clevis pin, BE3 cable/pedal uses a hook arrangement)
If it is still running a BE1, check that the clutch arm quadrant isn't seized as that makes the pedal heavy and eventually snaps the cable, although if it's original then it's probably just failed due to age. Also, BE1's have a pin around an inch or so long that sits between the quadrant and the arm coming out of the gearbox, and that tends to fall out when the cable snaps... and without it, you'll not get the clutch to work properly with the new cable.
The joy of French cars - even what should be straight forward jobs are nothing of the sort
These are things we all need to know..(No idea why though
)
750turbo said:
powerandtorque said:
Also, BE1's have a pin around an inch or so long that sits between the quadrant and the arm coming out of the gearbox, and that tends to fall out when the cable snaps... and without it, you'll not get the clutch to work properly with the new cable.[/b]
The joy of French cars - even what should be straight forward jobs are nothing of the sort
Brilliant!! The joy of French cars - even what should be straight forward jobs are nothing of the sort
These are things we all need to know..(No idea why though
)No need to thank me
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