CCTV To Stop Uninsured Drivers From Refueling

[Monsterlime]

Oh. My. God.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/cctv-at-petro...

While getting truely uninsured drivers off the road is a brilliant thing, I think we all know how awful the current MID/ANPR system is, and this is a just a TERRIBLE idea.

How angry are you going to be now when your insurance company or the DVLA has screwed up your insurance details?

Argh.

[J4CKO]

Less angry than being ploughed into by some uninsured scumbag.

Tech wise its fairly simple, ANPR, query against the MID Database to check whether it does/does not have a current policy associated and the pump then either will start or wont. Guess it wil have to err on the side of caution in case of things like the database being unavailable but if a query is issued and "XX51 XXX" comes back as not currently insured then I dont see the issue. If it gets uninsured drivers off the road then I am all for it, trouble is they will probably find a way round it.

They will have to ensure better data quality to make it work, if it does work we may see premiums stop rocketing, it is a bit big brother but to be honest I will take that over people driving round uninsured.

[George H]

I can only see this being a good thing. Should hopefully stop a lot of uninsured drivers, and dheads who alter their numberplates.

[SlimRick]

http://pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f...

[Wafflesmk2]

J4CKO said:

Less angry than being ploughed into by some uninsured scumbag.

Tech wise its fairly simple, ANPR, query against the MID Database to check whether it does/does not have a current policy associated and the pump then either will start or wont. Guess it wil have to err on the side of caution in case of things like the database being unavailable but if a query is issued and "XX51 XXX" comes back as not currently insured then I dont see the issue. If it gets uninsured drivers off the road then I am all for it, trouble is they will probably find a way round it.

What about traders and business users who have a policy that entitles them to drive any vehicle under their possession/care, but the vehicle isn't listed on the policy.

What about dayinsure?

What about people who are using a car with a policy on it, but they dont even have a licence/name on the policy.

Such a st idea.

[Johnnytheboy]

Yep, I'm all for this. Never had any problem being insured and taxed.

Of course one could always use an insured vehicle to drive in and fill up a jerry can if it was a problem.

[CBR JGWRR]

Repost.

[J4CKO]

Wafflesmk2 said:

J4CKO said:

Less angry than being ploughed into by some uninsured scumbag.

Tech wise its fairly simple, ANPR, query against the MID Database to check whether it does/does not have a current policy associated and the pump then either will start or wont. Guess it wil have to err on the side of caution in case of things like the database being unavailable but if a query is issued and "XX51 XXX" comes back as not currently insured then I dont see the issue. If it gets uninsured drivers off the road then I am all for it, trouble is they will probably find a way round it.

What about traders and business users who have a policy that entitles them to drive any vehicle under their possession/care, but the vehicle isn't listed on the policy.

Trade plates, some kind of card to manually show to the cashier and how often do garages and whatever ever put petrol in to customer cars or ones they sell ?

It will only ever be plate recognition, if the vehicle is insured thats the main thing, you cant mitigate for the driver not being covered to drive it, the Police will still have to do that bit.

Dayinsure, well they vehicle is insured and should show up as such.

The technology is there, they will have to make sure that the data keeps up, as usual with any means for preventing crime, like alarms, immobilisers and virus checkers, generally the main inconvenience is to the legitimate user.

Edited by J4CKO on Friday 16th March 12:40

[Monsterlime]

Darn! I had even gone a few pages down to see if it had been posted, but obviously didn't go far enough. Shoot.

[Wafflesmk2]

J4CKO said:

Trade plates, some kind of card to manually show to the cashier and how often do garages and whatever ever put petrol in to customer cars or ones they sell ?

Isn't all this pissing around, time, effort and money probably better spent elsewhere?

Like someone else said, park the car around the corner and fill up with jerrycans.

Such a pointless idea with so many ways around it.

[J4CKO]

Johnnytheboy said:

Yep, I'm all for this. Never had any problem being insured and taxed.

Of course one could always use an insured vehicle to drive in and fill up a jerry can if it was a problem.

Yes, that would soon become tedious though, most cars take 60 to 100 litres to fill, the average Jerry can is 20 litres, three to five jerry cans to fill a car, would more likely be a van with a huge tank in, fill it up, straight back to the Chatsworth to decant, perhaps the maximum delivery would counter that.

[lowdrag]

I'm against it, purely on human error and computer error. I've recently had a letter from the DVLA saying that the MIB site shows my car to be uninsured. A computer glitch apparently, since renewal isn't due until July. But, what if I, late one evening and short of fuel, get caugth in one of these cameras? will the DVLA or MIB cough up for transporting the car home and the inconvenience? I very much doubt it.

[J4CKO]

Wafflesmk2 said:

J4CKO said:

Trade plates, some kind of card to manually show to the cashier and how often do garages and whatever ever put petrol in to customer cars or ones they sell ?

Isn't all this pissing around, time, effort and money probably better spent elsewhere?

Like someone else said, park the car around the corner and fill up with jerrycans.

Such a pointless idea with so many ways around it.

Potentially yes but if an uninsired driver cant get fuel then it will stop them driving, most people dont have a full set of Jerry cans and it would be fairly obvious what you are upto, there are that many drivers that off road or fill cans for track days.

[Wafflesmk2]

J4CKO said:

Potentially yes but if an uninsired driver cant get fuel then it will stop them driving, most people dont have a full set of Jerry cans and it would be fairly obvious what you are upto, there are that many drivers that off road or fill cans for track days.

What if i buy a car, insure it at the roadside, then drive to the petrol station? It wont show on the database for a good day or two.

[Johnnytheboy]

lowdrag said:

I'm against it, purely on human error and computer error. I've recently had a letter from the DVLA saying that the MIB site shows my car to be uninsured. A computer glitch apparently, since renewal isn't due until July. But, what if I, late one evening and short of fuel, get caugth in one of these cameras? will the DVLA or MIB cough up for transporting the car home and the inconvenience? I very much doubt it.

Wouldn't you already bbe risking triggering an ANPR camera anyway?

[redstu]

Monsterlime said:

Darn! I had even gone a few pages down to see if it had been posted, but obviously didn't go far enough. Shoot.

I saw the original but couldn't find it so I wouldnt feel too bad

[Nursing a hemi]

I like the technology but not the use. I'm all for number plate recognition at petrol stations, but it should only alert the police to an uninsured vehicle. If you prevent refilling the only ones who will get caught are those where the system has messed up. The proper uninsured drivers will find other ways around it.

Rise in petrol siphoning, anyone?

[Sam1990]

In other news. Number plate cloning and fuel tank drilling is up 100% across the UK.

[r11co]

Wafflesmk2 said:

Isn't all this pissing around, time, effort and money probably better spent elsewhere?

Like someone else said, park the car around the corner and fill up with jerrycans.

Such a pointless idea with so many ways around it.

Exactly. Problem is there are still people who are fooled by a salesaman's pitch into believing that technology will solve everything. When it doesn't, the solution seems to be to apply more technology.....

[lordlee]

George H said:

and dheads who alter their numberplates.

Indeed. Two birds, one stone.