Ford Escort XR3 1982 near impossible to start
Ford Escort XR3 1982 near impossible to start
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SambaS

Original Poster:

418 posts

207 months

Saturday 17th March 2012
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Hi, I wonder if anyone can shed any light on my problem.

The Ford will not start without a LOT of carry on. Once going it usually starts on one then two then all cylinders.

between 0 and 2000 RPM it misses a lot.

over 2000 rpm it is perfect.

if you then turn it off it is even more difficult to start.

Eventually it just pops and bangs from the carb. and wont start.

I had a video but can only upload on my phone, and 64Mb takes AGES.

SambaS

Original Poster:

418 posts

207 months

Saturday 17th March 2012
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This happened a week after fitting some new Bosch super something plugs with 4 electrodes instead of the one. They needed changing as were 3 years old, this made the car drive like new again, I was well impressed. Don't know if it is coincidence that a week or so later I'm having issues.

J4CKO

45,339 posts

220 months

Saturday 17th March 2012
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Is the tank/fuel lines full of rust, my thirst thought is fuel starvation, second is something breaking down on the ignition side.

I would try a new set up plugs, dizzy cap, rotor arm. Also, not sure if appropriate but when our Fiat 500 did something similar it was valve clearance but I wouldnt think its that.


SambaS

Original Poster:

418 posts

207 months

Saturday 17th March 2012
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I had a small engine fire in Jan... the petrol pipe came off the filter, petrol accumulated in the lip of the rocker cover, and subsequently burned off. Lucky me still having an XR3 eh? Well the only visible damage was the paint on the rocker cover, no damage to bonnet or any fuel lines etc.

Once started the car will idle and I drove it round the carpark, to my garage to put air in the tyre, turned it off whilst doing so and that was the last time it ran today.

I was intending taking it up the road, I thought it may just need a run out.

catman

2,503 posts

195 months

Saturday 17th March 2012
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Could be one of the jets in the carb blocked? Possibly the idle jet, which would explain the difficult starting and low rpm misfire.

I've also had a dodgy coil give similar symptoms, but would start wth the carb, as it won't cost anything to try!

Tim

SambaS

Original Poster:

418 posts

207 months

Saturday 17th March 2012
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I was thinking that is is flooding, I had to jam open the choke butterfly valve in order to start it last time I tried, in Feb, it was exactly the same scenario as today.

fflyingdog

621 posts

259 months

Saturday 17th March 2012
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Am not ure but i think they had an electronic ignition chip that sat on the dizzy,this would also cause your problems.

andy-xr

13,204 posts

224 months

Saturday 17th March 2012
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Check the lead at the coil end, mine used to pop off every so often. Also, the earth wire (I'm assuming there is one on an Escort as there is on a Fiesta) between the engine block and the fan - mine was on a spade connector and kept dropping off

jas xjr

11,309 posts

259 months

Saturday 17th March 2012
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check / change the fuel filter if easy to do so

Silverdaz

83 posts

197 months

Saturday 17th March 2012
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Take it into your neaest Ford garage. They will say "No problem Sir, we will plug it into our computer and get the faults codes read"..............hehe

SambaS

Original Poster:

418 posts

207 months

Saturday 17th March 2012
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So news..... I went up the scrapyard and got a replacement ignition module. Once fitted the car fired straight up. I turned it off, and with a little press of the go pedal it went. I turned it off and repeated a few times. Happy that it was fixed I drove to the garage to put some air in the tyres, about 1.5 miles away. It performed perfectly the whole way. I was happy. I turned it off pumped the tyres up and had a chat to a mate about the car, who was getting fuel about how it has been off the road 3 months and now is fixed and how HAPPY I was. I laughed and said watch it not go..........

The fking car just turned over and over before a huge bang out of the carb.

Repeat and same thing until the battery finally died. It is still up there now.

MH82

210 posts

215 months

Saturday 17th March 2012
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Sling some NGKs in there, the bosch super 4s are awful plugs. Have you checked for sparks yet and is the distributor in the correct position?

SambaS

Original Poster:

418 posts

207 months

Saturday 17th March 2012
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It was definitely sparking yes. As for the positioning of the distributor, it hasn't moved the entire time I've had the car, unless of its own accord.

VinceFox

20,566 posts

192 months

Saturday 17th March 2012
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Get rid of the tarty plugs, put normal new ones in. Eliminate the simple stuff first!

Eggman

1,253 posts

231 months

Saturday 17th March 2012
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Could be worth obtaining a timing light to see what's going on. Does it still have points at that age, or had they changed over to electronic ignition?

ETA: Just re-read your original post. Sounds like fitting a new condenser might be worth a try.

Edited by Eggman on Saturday 17th March 19:15

NHK244V

3,358 posts

192 months

Saturday 17th March 2012
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what colour dizzy cap? blue cap ford dizzys did this back in the day, bad earth internaly.

exgtt

2,067 posts

232 months

Saturday 17th March 2012
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VinceFox said:
Get rid of the tarty plugs, put normal new ones in. Eliminate the simple stuff first!
Tarty plugs rofl

This.

  • edit* and crap in the fuel lines
Edited by exgtt on Saturday 17th March 23:06

catman

2,503 posts

195 months

Saturday 17th March 2012
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exgtt said:
VinceFox said:
Get rid of the tarty plugs, put normal new ones in. Eliminate the simple stuff first!
Tarty plugs rofl

This.

  • edit* and crap in the fuel lines
Edited by exgtt on Saturday 17th March 23:06
How often do you need to do that?

Tim

anonymous-user

74 months

Saturday 17th March 2012
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This is gonna sound crazy but does this happen on an incline at all?

I had an XR3i and the bd thing would simply not start on any sort of incline, apparently the fuel pumps on these are pish

exgtt

2,067 posts

232 months

Saturday 17th March 2012
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catman said:
How often do you need to do that?

Tim
Do what?