V8v sticking accelerator
V8v sticking accelerator
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Gareth135R

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565 posts

240 months

Saturday 17th March 2012
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So my car tried to kill me tonight. Accelerating before letting off or a corner and the car continues to accelerate. Had to dip the clutch and watch the revs rise. Few taps on the accelerator pedal and the revs dropped.

Anyone have ths happen?
Any advice? Looks like I'll be calling out AA tomorrow.

yvr

343 posts

163 months

Saturday 17th March 2012
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Sounds sort of familiar. Have you looked at http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

bogie

16,798 posts

289 months

Sunday 18th March 2012
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sounds like you need to clean throttle body flaps as in thread above, had mine done a couple of years ago when in for a 40K service at DMS

Gareth135R

Original Poster:

565 posts

240 months

Sunday 18th March 2012
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About an hour before my dash lit up like a Xmas tree with warning of Emergency braking system/traction control switched off. That light has since gone out but now the ABS light is on.

So not a great combo....no traction control or ABS and the car wants to accelerate.

bogie

16,798 posts

289 months

Sunday 18th March 2012
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oh dear...you are not having much luck with it frown

an OBD II reader is a useful accessory too, to save trips to dealer etc just for a light, and to put your mind at rest there really isnt anything wrong. You can write down the codes, reset and see if they come back etc

most are nothing major, a 15 wheel speed sensor wire needing replacing can cause chaos with the ABS/TC warning lighting up

Edited by bogie on Sunday 18th March 15:13

BingoBob

1,098 posts

164 months

Sunday 18th March 2012
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Could be a faulty potentiometer on the accelerator pedal. Could possibly be the throttle position sensor, too.

X7LDA

940 posts

221 months

Sunday 18th March 2012
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Get it back too MMC mate!

krisdelta

4,638 posts

218 months

Sunday 18th March 2012
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No need for me to start a thread then - this is exactly the syptoms I am getting. Throttle body clean has done nothing (but still needed a clean). Do you have Cruise fitted Gareth? I got the plethora of errors, that cleared on restarting engine on one occasion, other than that, no errors on the dash.

Symptoms present when:
Car moving, can not replicate revving from stationary.
Very intermittant, often at start of a journey (first 5 miles) then been fine.
Dropping engine speed below <10mph with low revs stops it happening, although can re-occur.

This makes me think:
1) It's not the throttle pedal, or would do it when stationary?
2) It's not the throttle bodies - or it would do it when stationary?
3) Could be a cruise control issue as presents when moving over a certain speed
4) I don't know enough! smile

Yet to try:
1) Removing fuse for cruise (if there is a distinct one) and seeing if that helps
2) Seeing if a hard / soft battery reset helps

I've scanned AMOC and found nothing relevant, does anyone else have any ideas? My experience hasn't been as extreme as Gareths, but it's not fun. My next step will be to call Bamford Rose / Trinity to see if either of them have come across this before getting the car to one of them.

Cheers all

Kris




BingoBob

1,098 posts

164 months

Sunday 18th March 2012
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I wouldn't discount the sticking throttle body. If the engine is not under load (like when in neutral) then the ECU won't open the throttle much. It may be indeed be that it is sticking, but not at an angle that it can reach when not under load. If you have an OBD2 scanner with realtime measuring facility then you should be able to see what the throttle valve angle is under different conditions and this may help you determine whether the sticking occurs at a certain aperture.

krisdelta

4,638 posts

218 months

Sunday 18th March 2012
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BingoBob said:
I wouldn't discount the sticking throttle body. If the engine is not under load (like when in neutral) then the ECU won't open the throttle much. It may be indeed be that it is sticking, but not at an angle that it can reach when not under load. If you have an OBD2 scanner with realtime measuring facility then you should be able to see what the throttle valve angle is under different conditions and this may help you determine whether the sticking occurs at a certain aperture.
Thanks Bob, that is not a bad thought, I really don't know enough wink

Genie Chaser

103 posts

162 months

Sunday 18th March 2012
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If the ABS light is on, sounds like may be a cracked wheel bearing, get into a dealer & have them check it out.

BingoBob

1,098 posts

164 months

Sunday 18th March 2012
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When the engine parameters change outside of normal ranges (say the throttle sticking open) that messes with the ECU's ability to calculate engine torque values.

The ECU passes these torques values (amongst other things) to the ABS / ESP brain which needs that information to calculate, er, things.

Anyway, if the ABS / ESP module gets dodgy information then it can't do its job and it lights up the dash to tell you so.

Might not be that, of course, but it kinda fits.

Genie Chaser

103 posts

162 months

Sunday 18th March 2012
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Can give you ' wheel speed sensor mech fault' and give you that runaway affect when they crack - very exiting!!

Gareth135R

Original Poster:

565 posts

240 months

Sunday 18th March 2012
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Car heading to dealer tomorrow.
Let them find out what's up.

krisdelta

4,638 posts

218 months

Sunday 18th March 2012
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Gareth135R said:
Car heading to dealer tomorrow.
Let them find out what's up.
Will be interested to hear how you get on, I've posted up some pics from cleaning the throttle bodies now too.

Kris

Gareth135R

Original Poster:

565 posts

240 months

Monday 19th March 2012
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Bogie as right.
Wheel bearing sensor.

krisdelta

4,638 posts

218 months

Monday 19th March 2012
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Gareth135R said:
Bogie as right.
Wheel bearing sensor.
Thanks for reporting back Gareth, sounds like my problem may be the same... time to give Trinity a call and see if they can help. Mind you I still enjoyed cleaning my throttle body smile

krisdelta

4,638 posts

218 months

Monday 19th March 2012
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I have a question on this, how does the mechanic find out which wheel bearing sensor is faulty? The warnings I've seen have cleared after the engine is restarted.

Genie Chaser

103 posts

162 months

Monday 19th March 2012
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Think from memory, the diagnostics give the tech a code for a specific corner on the car, then do the checks from there.

Good Soil (Pete)

543 posts

278 months

Monday 19th March 2012
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How does a wheel bearing sensor speed the engine up? What did I not understand???