Why Do Mazda 6 Petrols Have Such Poor MPG ?
Why Do Mazda 6 Petrols Have Such Poor MPG ?
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redgriff500

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283 months

Sunday 18th March 2012
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I bought a Mazda 6 2.3 Sport for my wife.

Unlike me she usually manages to at least achieve the "combined" mpg figure in her daily drive (20 miles each way avoiding most of the rush hour as she starts work at 8am)

In the Mazda she's getting 27mpg (combined is given as 31mpg) - no fault codes, recently serviced etc

I've been on the Mazda forums and it seems that everyone gets similarly poor figures.

My old BMW 328 which was a 6 cylinder and a substantially faster car had better economy so why would a much more modern 4 cylnder car give less ?

BE57 TOY

2,628 posts

167 months

Sunday 18th March 2012
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Mazdas are well known for poor mpg unfortunately.

Mystic Slippers

406 posts

223 months

Sunday 18th March 2012
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My old MK1 mazda Eunos (MX5) only did mid 20`s MPG which is pretty poor for a 1.6 115bhp car.
Im getting better MPG from my 3.2 Porsche boxster.

redgriff500

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28,982 posts

283 months

Sunday 18th March 2012
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BE57 TOY said:
Mazdas are well known for poor mpg unfortunately.
Are they ?

No one told me that.

I know pre 05 MX5's are pretty poor on fuel but I presumed that was due to low gearing and terrible aerodynamics coupled to an ancient engine design.

Fire99

9,863 posts

249 months

Sunday 18th March 2012
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Mystic Slippers said:
My old MK1 mazda Eunos (MX5) only did mid 20`s MPG which is pretty poor for a 1.6 115bhp car.
Completely unrelated to the '6' The Mk1 MX5 is renowned for bad mpg. 1.6 Engine is old tech and for large parts of its running, it runs 'open loop'.

GravelBen

16,281 posts

250 months

Sunday 18th March 2012
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I was always quite impressed with the mpg of the 2.3 6-spd Mazda6 (2003 maybe) that the old man had as a work car for a while.

GravelBen

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250 months

Sunday 18th March 2012
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Fire99 said:
Mystic Slippers said:
My old MK1 mazda Eunos (MX5) only did mid 20`s MPG which is pretty poor for a 1.6 115bhp car.
Completely unrelated to the '6' The Mk1 MX5 is renowned for bad mpg. 1.6 Engine is old tech and for large parts of its running, it runs 'open loop'.
yes Old-tech ECU and engine design, plus roofless aero and barn-door popup lights. My 250rwhp turbo MX5 was more economical cruising than a standard one. That said, mid-20s is much thirstier than my standard one, which would usually do 35 on a run. Track days had it into the teens though.

Edited by GravelBen on Sunday 18th March 09:56

Fire99

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249 months

Sunday 18th March 2012
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GravelBen said:
yes Old-tech ECU and engine design. My 250rwhp turbo MX5 was more economical cruising than a standard one. That said, mid-20s is much thirstier than my standard one, which would usually do 35 on a run. Track days had it into the teens though.
On a complete side drift (excuse the pun), what was the MX5 like on track days, once it was running the Turbo? Had a standard Mk1 some time ago and was tempted running a Turbo as a track car.

GravelBen

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250 months

Sunday 18th March 2012
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Fire99 said:
On a complete side drift (excuse the pun), what was the MX5 like on track days, once it was running the Turbo? Had a standard Mk1 some time ago and was tempted running a Turbo as a track car.
To drive it was absolutely brilliant, not as reliable as a standard one though - never had a major failure just required more tinkering to keep it working nicely and you couldn't run it hard for as long. A bit more detail in the build and ongoing development would have sorted that, but I ended up selling it as it didn't get used enough.

Edited by GravelBen on Sunday 18th March 10:03

Fire99

9,863 posts

249 months

Sunday 18th March 2012
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GravelBen said:
To drive it was absolutely brilliant, not as reliable as a standard one though - never had a major failure just required more tinkering to keep it working nicely and you couldn't run it hard for as long. A bit more detail in the build and ongoing development would have sorted that, but I ended up selling it as it didn't get used enough.
Blinding, Cheers. I'll keep it as a possibility then smile

Athlon

5,567 posts

226 months

Sunday 18th March 2012
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27 is the best I can do on the commute as well.

Six Fiend

6,067 posts

235 months

Sunday 18th March 2012
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I had a 56-plate 2.0 TS which was a touch juicy too even when being gentle.

redgriff500

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28,982 posts

283 months

Sunday 18th March 2012
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So if we agree they have poor mpg - the question is why ?

Do they have poor aero, poor injectors, run massively rich as std.... ?

Shotgun Rider

816 posts

190 months

Sunday 18th March 2012
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Fire99 said:
Completely unrelated to the '6' The Mk1 MX5 is renowned for bad mpg. 1.6 Engine is old tech and for large parts of its running, it runs 'open loop'.
What do you mean by open loop?

Fire99

9,863 posts

249 months

Sunday 18th March 2012
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Shotgun Rider said:
What do you mean by open loop?
Fuels from a pre-defined fuel map rather than adjusting the fuelling according to the info sent back by the lambda sensor.

Shotgun Rider

816 posts

190 months

Sunday 18th March 2012
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Fire99 said:
Fuels from a pre-defined fuel map rather than adjusting the fuelling according to the info sent back by the lambda sensor.
Thanks

underphil

1,295 posts

230 months

Sunday 18th March 2012
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I would disagree, I've got a 2009 2.5 and on my 10 mile rush hour commute I average 29mpg which includes flooring it when the opportunity presents itself.

On longer journeys I'll get 40mpg if I keep to sensible speeds.

redgriff500

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Sunday 18th March 2012
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underphil said:
I would disagree, I've got a 2009 2.5 and on my 10 mile rush hour commute I average 29mpg which includes flooring it when the opportunity presents itself.

On longer journeys I'll get 40mpg if I keep to sensible speeds.
Isn't that a different engine with, I suspect, direct injection.

underphil

1,295 posts

230 months

Sunday 18th March 2012
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It's pretty much the same as the 2.3 just bored and stroked to 2.5, still no direct injection (only the 2.3 turbo has this). The newer 6 has electric steering and improved aero (was decent anyway) which must help a bit though

davepoth

29,395 posts

219 months

Sunday 18th March 2012
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redgriff500 said:
So if we agree they have poor mpg - the question is why ?

Do they have poor aero, poor injectors, run massively rich as std.... ?
It'll just be because it's more closely tweaked to the EU cycle for measuring the economy. As cars get more closely optimised to the test, it becomes harder to match the figures in normal driving.