FWB B-road blaster: DC2 ITR or Rover 100 VVC
Discussion
Ok so the the Integra has the image and the street cred, but when you consider all the pro's and con's what do you guys reckon?
I think you could have both cars on the road for similar total money. Wanting fun, fast, 4 seats, boot and affordable running costs (maintenance, service & fuel). Likely to be used on track, motoring events and fast road use.
UKDM Integra Type R (DC2)
Pros:
-Looks great
-Sweet sweet handling and steering feel
-Lovely engine
-Big boot
-Heritage & ethos on why it exists
-Rare
Cons:
-All examples are HIGH mileage these days
-Gearboxes break and many need them replacing
-Front seats very tatty in many
-Rust on some around rear arches
-Pull me over looks
-32mpg
Rover 100 with 1.8 VVC (175hp upgrade) and LSD
Pros:
-Very Q car
-Sweet engine (and I don't care about potential HG issues
)
-Better power to weight ration than the ITR
-Hydrogas suspension and smooth ride
-Lots of low mileage (20-40,000) examples to buy and modify
-40 to 45+mpg ability
-Low weight (sub 800kg) so likely more nimble than the ITR
-Rare
Cons:
-Doesn't look as good
-smaller boot
-Rust is still likely an issue
-Time to build and get it upto spec
I think you could have both cars on the road for similar total money. Wanting fun, fast, 4 seats, boot and affordable running costs (maintenance, service & fuel). Likely to be used on track, motoring events and fast road use.
UKDM Integra Type R (DC2)
Pros:
-Looks great
-Sweet sweet handling and steering feel
-Lovely engine
-Big boot
-Heritage & ethos on why it exists
-Rare
Cons:
-All examples are HIGH mileage these days
-Gearboxes break and many need them replacing
-Front seats very tatty in many
-Rust on some around rear arches
-Pull me over looks
-32mpg
Rover 100 with 1.8 VVC (175hp upgrade) and LSD
Pros:
-Very Q car
-Sweet engine (and I don't care about potential HG issues
)-Better power to weight ration than the ITR
-Hydrogas suspension and smooth ride
-Lots of low mileage (20-40,000) examples to buy and modify
-40 to 45+mpg ability
-Low weight (sub 800kg) so likely more nimble than the ITR
-Rare
Cons:
-Doesn't look as good
-smaller boot
-Rust is still likely an issue
-Time to build and get it upto spec
). 
I know how rapid tweaked Metros can be, but I'd still tend towards the Integra as a road car. I just find them a more appealing ownership proposition on the raod where you're not driving on the limit the whole time.
That said, as a track slag, outright performance is even more important and you're likely to want to do some mods anyway, so there's a lot to be said for the idea of starting off with a signficantly cheaper base car - like the Metro - and then speccing it to your requirements.
That said, as a track slag, outright performance is even more important and you're likely to want to do some mods anyway, so there's a lot to be said for the idea of starting off with a signficantly cheaper base car - like the Metro - and then speccing it to your requirements.
I don't like the Integra which means my default answer is the Metro. I actually think one of those would be a real hoot and as the Metro is becoming sort of cool again etc. Actually they did handle very well as standard, we had loads of them through the years and rust aside, an underated car.
Did any other production cars enter your argument? Clio 182 for example.
Did any other production cars enter your argument? Clio 182 for example.
v8will said:
I don't like the Integra which means my default answer is the Metro. I actually think one of those would be a real hoot and as the Metro is becoming sort of cool again etc. Actually they did handle very well as standard, we had loads of them through the years and rust aside, an underated car.
Did any other production cars enter your argument? Clio 182 for example.
Just out of curiousity, why don't you like the integra?Did any other production cars enter your argument? Clio 182 for example.
Having kept a 114 GTA as a 17 year old for year and been fortunate enough to drive a DC2 Integra it would be the Honda all the way.
The 100 is probably the worst car i have had and you would pretty much need to replace every part of it and you would still have a drwadful looking car that is unlikely to be anywhere near as good a car as the Integra.
100
+ Cheap
- Interior quality and design
- Space
- Ride
- Handling
- Brakes
- Rust
- Build Quality
The Integra was built as a performance car and is still widely regarded as one of the best ever (FWD or not). The 100 is an awful load of cheaply made rubbish that wouldn't be saved by dropping in what I consider to be a very average engine with a very poor reputation.
The 100 is probably the worst car i have had and you would pretty much need to replace every part of it and you would still have a drwadful looking car that is unlikely to be anywhere near as good a car as the Integra.
100
+ Cheap
- Interior quality and design
- Space
- Ride
- Handling
- Brakes
- Rust
- Build Quality
The Integra was built as a performance car and is still widely regarded as one of the best ever (FWD or not). The 100 is an awful load of cheaply made rubbish that wouldn't be saved by dropping in what I consider to be a very average engine with a very poor reputation.
Chrisw666 said:
But when comparing it to a lighter car that has been built to go quickly will it still be the best?
Yes. Chrisw666 said:
r1ch said:
Integra without a doubt as its the best fwd car imo.
But when comparing it to a lighter car that has been built to go quickly will it still be the best?r1ch said:
Just out of curiousity, why don't you like the integra?
A decent enough car but just a bit too 'fanboi' for me. I would have to level that criticism at all the hot Hondas with the exception of the NSX and just borderline with the S2000. They just leave me a little cold.I fully appreciate how competent the Integra is and don't dislike the actual car as such but I just would have no interest at all in owning one.
For what 300 wants to do I think the Metro project has potential to be more fulfilling.
v8will said:
A decent enough car but just a bit too 'fanboi' for me. I would have to level that criticism at all the hot Hondas with the exception of the NSX and just borderline with the S2000. They just leave me a little cold.
I fully appreciate how competent the Integra is and don't dislike the actual car as such but I just would have no interest at all in owning one.
For what 300 wants to do I think the Metro project has potential to be more fulfilling.
I see, fair enough. Different strokes for different folks.I fully appreciate how competent the Integra is and don't dislike the actual car as such but I just would have no interest at all in owning one.
For what 300 wants to do I think the Metro project has potential to be more fulfilling.
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