New paint; how to treat?
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Hi
I have just about finished a nut and bolt restoration of a Fiesta RS Turbo. I learnt all the skills myself and even sprayed it myself. If you are interested in the spraying part have a look at the thread:
http://pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f...
Page 5 on is when it was painted.
Anyway, I wet sanded the whole car and machine polished with 3m Perfect 3 fast cut.
What would be the best way to now seal the paint, protect the paint and leave the best mirror finish?
I have a couple of the chemical guys products that I want to try. I think one is a sealent and one is a wet look finish product.
Is a sealent the same as a wax??
I guess I would use the sealent followed by the wet look finish?
Many thanks
I have just about finished a nut and bolt restoration of a Fiesta RS Turbo. I learnt all the skills myself and even sprayed it myself. If you are interested in the spraying part have a look at the thread:
http://pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f...
Page 5 on is when it was painted.
Anyway, I wet sanded the whole car and machine polished with 3m Perfect 3 fast cut.
What would be the best way to now seal the paint, protect the paint and leave the best mirror finish?
I have a couple of the chemical guys products that I want to try. I think one is a sealent and one is a wet look finish product.
Is a sealent the same as a wax??
I guess I would use the sealent followed by the wet look finish?
Many thanks
Generally, I'd always suggest 90 days before waxing or sealing the paint. You can polish it instantly, but paint will continue to outgas slightly after it has touch dried so I wouldn't risk sealing it for a while. Some say 30-45 days but 90 days is the longest I have heard, so that is the safest possible end of the scale.
Re wax and sealant, they tend to mean a more natural paste product vs a modern synthetic liquid protectant of some kind. Carnauba wax vs acrylic or silicone polymers in a very general sense. However, a protectant is a protectant. There is a lot of BS and misleading info around. After all, you get synthetic waxes like silicone wax and microcrystalline wax, and carnauba 'seals' paint. Confusion galore.
As long as it is a wax or sealant it should do the same job to a greater or lesser extent.
The polishing process gives you the 'wet look' finish. A wax or sealant only tends to enhance the appearance dramatically on poor paintwork. On nicely machined paint it will tend to protect only.
Re wax and sealant, they tend to mean a more natural paste product vs a modern synthetic liquid protectant of some kind. Carnauba wax vs acrylic or silicone polymers in a very general sense. However, a protectant is a protectant. There is a lot of BS and misleading info around. After all, you get synthetic waxes like silicone wax and microcrystalline wax, and carnauba 'seals' paint. Confusion galore.
As long as it is a wax or sealant it should do the same job to a greater or lesser extent.
The polishing process gives you the 'wet look' finish. A wax or sealant only tends to enhance the appearance dramatically on poor paintwork. On nicely machined paint it will tend to protect only.
domster said:
Generally, I'd always suggest 90 days before waxing or sealing the paint. You can polish it instantly, but paint will continue to outgas slightly after it has touch dried so I wouldn't risk sealing it for a while. Some say 30-45 days but 90 days is the longest I have heard, so that is the safest possible end of the scale.
Re wax and sealant, they tend to mean a more natural paste product vs a modern synthetic liquid protectant of some kind. Carnauba wax vs acrylic or silicone polymers in a very general sense. However, a protectant is a protectant. There is a lot of BS and misleading info around. After all, you get synthetic waxes like silicone wax and microcrystalline wax, and carnauba 'seals' paint. Confusion galore.
As long as it is a wax or sealant it should do the same job to a greater or lesser extent.
The polishing process gives you the 'wet look' finish. A wax or sealant only tends to enhance the appearance dramatically on poor paintwork. On nicely machined paint it will tend to protect only.
Excellent reply and massively appreciated; thank you!Re wax and sealant, they tend to mean a more natural paste product vs a modern synthetic liquid protectant of some kind. Carnauba wax vs acrylic or silicone polymers in a very general sense. However, a protectant is a protectant. There is a lot of BS and misleading info around. After all, you get synthetic waxes like silicone wax and microcrystalline wax, and carnauba 'seals' paint. Confusion galore.
As long as it is a wax or sealant it should do the same job to a greater or lesser extent.
The polishing process gives you the 'wet look' finish. A wax or sealant only tends to enhance the appearance dramatically on poor paintwork. On nicely machined paint it will tend to protect only.
Sounds like the way I plan is correct then. The car was painted around 2 months ago so should nearly be ready for wax.
I seal it and finally try that wet look stuff out.
Many thanks again
domster said:
The polishing process gives you the 'wet look' finish. A wax or sealant only tends to enhance the appearance dramatically on poor paintwork. On nicely machined paint it will tend to protect only.
TROOPER88 said:
I seal it and finally try that wet look stuff out.
TROOPER88, the polishing stage is before the wax / sealant stage!Just out of interest, what is the exact name of the CG product you're talking about there?
ETA - Looking at their website, the only thing they describe as 'Wet Look' is the 'Butter Wet Wax CAR WAX -WET LOOK SHINE'. Which is obviously a wax product and not a polishing product, so would go on last at the protection stage.
ETA - Looking at their website, the only thing they describe as 'Wet Look' is the 'Butter Wet Wax CAR WAX -WET LOOK SHINE'. Which is obviously a wax product and not a polishing product, so would go on last at the protection stage.
Edited by RedWater on Friday 23 March 09:27
Changed from previous post to simply say...
I've not had hands on experience with either I'm afraid, but it seems that they have good reviews.
Confusing descriptions though -
- The EZ Glaze is referred to as a 'protection' product, but then goes on to say about using it after a polish and before a wax / sealant.
and
- The Wet Mirror Finish is referred to as a 'preparatory' product, but appears to be intended as a last stage / protection product. Obviously with a big focus on enhancing gloss / gloss magnifying.
I've not had hands on experience with either I'm afraid, but it seems that they have good reviews.
Confusing descriptions though -
- The EZ Glaze is referred to as a 'protection' product, but then goes on to say about using it after a polish and before a wax / sealant.
and
- The Wet Mirror Finish is referred to as a 'preparatory' product, but appears to be intended as a last stage / protection product. Obviously with a big focus on enhancing gloss / gloss magnifying.
RedWater said:
Changed from previous post to simply say...
I've not had hands on experience with either I'm afraid, but it seems that they have good reviews.
Confusing descriptions though -
- The EZ Glaze is referred to as a 'protection' product, but then goes on to say about using it after a polish and before a wax / sealant.
and
- The Wet Mirror Finish is referred to as a 'preparatory' product, but appears to be intended as a last stage / protection product. Obviously with a big focus on enhancing gloss / gloss magnifying.
Thanks for researching this for me.I've not had hands on experience with either I'm afraid, but it seems that they have good reviews.
Confusing descriptions though -
- The EZ Glaze is referred to as a 'protection' product, but then goes on to say about using it after a polish and before a wax / sealant.
and
- The Wet Mirror Finish is referred to as a 'preparatory' product, but appears to be intended as a last stage / protection product. Obviously with a big focus on enhancing gloss / gloss magnifying.
Before I try the products on the recently painted car I have just spent a couple of hours on my daily driver.
I gave it a wash and clay bar before trying the CB Wet Mirror Finish.
See the pics of the bonnet below, I guess the water beading is good?
It is not the easiest product to remove but I think that was partly my fault in the beginning as I may have been using too much.
No problem, I've been meaning to take a look at CG stuff for a while anyway. Apologies for the other post and then deleting it by the way - I don't know if you read it or not?
Porsche daily driver hey! Nice!! Beading doesn't look bad at all, but I reckon you'd get (much) better with a pukka wax.
Also just had a quick look at your thread regarding the Fiesta and its looking great mate - nice work!
Porsche daily driver hey! Nice!! Beading doesn't look bad at all, but I reckon you'd get (much) better with a pukka wax.
Also just had a quick look at your thread regarding the Fiesta and its looking great mate - nice work!
RedWater said:
No problem, I've been meaning to take a look at CG stuff for a while anyway. Apologies for the other post and then deleting it by the way - I don't know if you read it or not?
Porsche daily driver hey! Nice!! Beading doesn't look bad at all, but I reckon you'd get (much) better with a pukka wax.
Also just had a quick look at your thread regarding the Fiesta and its looking great mate - nice work!
Thanks mate!Porsche daily driver hey! Nice!! Beading doesn't look bad at all, but I reckon you'd get (much) better with a pukka wax.
Also just had a quick look at your thread regarding the Fiesta and its looking great mate - nice work!
Had the 911 for a year in June and its going very well.
The Fiesta has been a lot of work but have done everything myself. I am really pleased with the paintwork.
I did read your posting before you deleted so no problem.
Thanks for your advice.
TROOPER88 said:
Thanks mate!
Had the 911 for a year in June and its going very well.
The Fiesta has been a lot of work but have done everything myself. I am really pleased with the paintwork.
I did read your posting before you deleted so no problem.
Thanks for your advice.
You should be very proud of what you've achieved there, without a doubt!Had the 911 for a year in June and its going very well.
The Fiesta has been a lot of work but have done everything myself. I am really pleased with the paintwork.
I did read your posting before you deleted so no problem.
Thanks for your advice.
Re the other post I was kind of hoping you were going to say that you hadn't read it - it seems that due to the choice of words I got my wires a tad crossed at first.
TROOPER88 said:
Yeah but your an expert!
How does mine look for an amateur??
Erm, still not great but beading isn't everything. Generally speaking, beading is not down to technique, but product. My toddler could apply the right paste wax and get beading like I achieved on that panel. Modesty prevents me from disclosing the product used. How does mine look for an amateur??
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