Evo 6 - real running costs
Discussion
So after a quick phone call more out of curiosity today, I've just had a quote on an imported evo 6 with a few mods for just over a grand. Not bad considering I'm 25, 4 years ncb and 4 points. Even better considering the DC5's best renewal is £895. So help me out please, what are the realistic costs of using it day to day. Usually around 10 miles each way to work, popping out a couple of nights a week doing around the same sort of mileage and then occasional hooning at the weekend.
Talk me out of it before I start doing some maths and think I can afford it.
Talk me out of it before I start doing some maths and think I can afford it.
I remember looking at buying one of these when they first came out, but was put off by 3,000 mile service intervals (too much of an inconvenience on 30k miles per annum) and the fact that said service could only be carried out by authorised ralli-art dealerships. I believe that was something to do with the active yaw control. Is that all old news now, with lots of indies capable of doing such stuff?
I had mine for 3 years and all it needed other than service items and tyres was anti roll bar drop links, a couple of track rod ends and a fuel pipe. It was very reasonable to run and there are plenty of good independent garages to know them inside out now so prices aren't too bad. Watch out for rust though!
rb5er said:
slippery said:
I remember looking at buying one of these when they first came out, but was put off by 3,000 mile service intervals
Is that the 4500 miles or 6 month intervals you mean? Its just a regular oil service (£120 at mitsubishi)Ran one for 14 months. Biblical level of performance for the money.
Servicing is every 4500 miles on Evos 1-9 - this is a must.
Fuel use is staggering when using the thing in anger. Expect an average of around 20 mpg. You will never see 30mpg.
Overall, a solid motor that is bulletproof providing it's been maintained. There are shed loads of specialists for servicing / tuning.
Do it!
Servicing is every 4500 miles on Evos 1-9 - this is a must.
Fuel use is staggering when using the thing in anger. Expect an average of around 20 mpg. You will never see 30mpg.
Overall, a solid motor that is bulletproof providing it's been maintained. There are shed loads of specialists for servicing / tuning.
Do it!
I'm on the look out for one at the moment as well.
As mentioned service required every 4500 miles, a preference for vpower or similar (and lots of it)
But if its well looked after and a decent example everythign else is not too bad.
Check for AYC faults when buying, and rust. Especially on UK cars.
As mentioned service required every 4500 miles, a preference for vpower or similar (and lots of it)
But if its well looked after and a decent example everythign else is not too bad.
Check for AYC faults when buying, and rust. Especially on UK cars.
Yep, they are costly to run, make no mistake!!
Fuel - In my EVO 6 i averaged about 160 miles to a tank, sometimes could push out 200.
Servicing is every 4.5k, oil changes and AYC fluid change. Big service every 5 years, belts all fluids. You got Rear Diff, Ayc fluid, Front transfer box, gearbox.
All that aside, remember the cars are over 10 years old now, so factor in wheel bearings which they are sore on, and general wear on the suspension, not to mention AYC pump failure(easily repaired). Fuel filler pipe also bad for corrosion, so make sure thats been done.
Also what some do is, remove the Fuse for the AYC if there is a fault in it, so you will be totally unaware unless you work out the AYC is not functioning.
It will eat tyres also.
However they are fun, but it all comes at a price. And if been treated well, serviced frequently, they are fairly reliable motors.
I would go after a V1 RS. Lighter, quicker and No AYC, which is a big bonus in my eyes. Obviously more difficult to source, but they are about.
As i say, its an enjoyable ownership, but just be prepared to spend money on it, maybe serious money!!
Fuel - In my EVO 6 i averaged about 160 miles to a tank, sometimes could push out 200.
Servicing is every 4.5k, oil changes and AYC fluid change. Big service every 5 years, belts all fluids. You got Rear Diff, Ayc fluid, Front transfer box, gearbox.
All that aside, remember the cars are over 10 years old now, so factor in wheel bearings which they are sore on, and general wear on the suspension, not to mention AYC pump failure(easily repaired). Fuel filler pipe also bad for corrosion, so make sure thats been done.
Also what some do is, remove the Fuse for the AYC if there is a fault in it, so you will be totally unaware unless you work out the AYC is not functioning.
It will eat tyres also.
However they are fun, but it all comes at a price. And if been treated well, serviced frequently, they are fairly reliable motors.
I would go after a V1 RS. Lighter, quicker and No AYC, which is a big bonus in my eyes. Obviously more difficult to source, but they are about.
As i say, its an enjoyable ownership, but just be prepared to spend money on it, maybe serious money!!
A bloke I work with had one between a Golf R32 and a 911. Sold the Evo as it was costing him too much to run(!).
It's the short service intervals with the AYC servicing that is the killer. And the fuel bills. But mainly the short service intervals. Strange that the Impreza WRX STi can last without a service every five minutes!
It's the short service intervals with the AYC servicing that is the killer. And the fuel bills. But mainly the short service intervals. Strange that the Impreza WRX STi can last without a service every five minutes!
The shortish service times don't really worry me, i'd be using it for less than 6k per year so it'd just be 3 - 400 quid a year in general servicing.
It's the trying not to buy a lemon thats worrying me.
Rust problems being my biggest fear. Even a duff AYC is circa £500 quid repair which isn't that bad in the grand scheme of things.
It's the trying not to buy a lemon thats worrying me.
Rust problems being my biggest fear. Even a duff AYC is circa £500 quid repair which isn't that bad in the grand scheme of things.
Makes me laugh when people talk about the fuel cost as that is such a small part of the ownerships costs on a car like this but I map my own car and its true I probably spend more time doing it that most pros do but on a recent trip to Kings Lynn my car averaged 28mpg with 2 large passengers and a boot full of gear
I spent a day do 30-130 runs and holding to top speed c150mph and drove back home and averaged 24mpg
I dont drive like a granny either as fast as the traffic will allow , booting it off roundabouts and cruising at 80-90 leptons
On a Sunday hoon it will do 24-26mpg across the tank , dont get me wrong on a track its 8mpg or so but normal use on the road really isnt that bad at least on a midly modified well mapped car, I find it much cheaper to run than my old R33 GTST running similar power
I spent a day do 30-130 runs and holding to top speed c150mph and drove back home and averaged 24mpg
I dont drive like a granny either as fast as the traffic will allow , booting it off roundabouts and cruising at 80-90 leptons
On a Sunday hoon it will do 24-26mpg across the tank , dont get me wrong on a track its 8mpg or so but normal use on the road really isnt that bad at least on a midly modified well mapped car, I find it much cheaper to run than my old R33 GTST running similar power
Oh and mine doesnt eat tyres either , the Goodyear Eagle f1's were on my car when I bought it and I've done 10,000miles but they are only 225/45/17's so cheaper than my diesel Skoda to replace
Servicing is a doddle to do yourself , only the belts really are an issue but they arent the end of the world to get done
Rust is an issue you really need to buy wisely and whilst there are a lot of cheap Evo 5's and 6's is pays in the long run to spend and bit more and get a really decent one
Servicing is a doddle to do yourself , only the belts really are an issue but they arent the end of the world to get done
Rust is an issue you really need to buy wisely and whilst there are a lot of cheap Evo 5's and 6's is pays in the long run to spend and bit more and get a really decent one
DanDC5 said:
So after a quick phone call more out of curiosity today, I've just had a quote on an imported evo 6 with a few mods for just over a grand. Not bad considering I'm 25, 4 years ncb and 4 points. Even better considering the DC5's best renewal is £895. So help me out please, what are the realistic costs of using it day to day. Usually around 10 miles each way to work, popping out a couple of nights a week doing around the same sort of mileage and then occasional hooning at the weekend.
Talk me out of it before I start doing some maths and think I can afford it.
Didnt you tell me you werent interested in Evos due to the lack of involvement? Talk me out of it before I start doing some maths and think I can afford it.
The running costs arent too bad if you are fairly handy with a spanner, but even if not there are plenty of specialists who wont rip you off.
Just like Liner, I have been learning and mapping mine also, its great fun if you are a bit of a geek like me and if you spend the time on it you can really get it very good. The mapping software is opensource aswell which is great.
However, if I was wanting a daily driver I would consider an 8, the 6 is quite a bit more raw, with less sound proofing etc.
Join the MLR, there is a wealth of knowledge.
Baryonyx said:
It's the short service intervals with the AYC servicing that is the killer. Strange that the Impreza WRX STi can last without a service every five minutes!
Main dealers do tend to overprice for the AYC servicing, it can be done pretty easily by anyone who can do an oil change and has a laptop, a Tactrix cable and a copy of evoscan ($30).AYC is a very good system, some people prefer the low tech RS rear diff, but I think AYC is superb. Especially compared to most Impreza STIs and other AWD cars, the way it resists understeer and stays balanced is really nice.
RobCrezz said:
DanDC5 said:
So after a quick phone call more out of curiosity today, I've just had a quote on an imported evo 6 with a few mods for just over a grand. Not bad considering I'm 25, 4 years ncb and 4 points. Even better considering the DC5's best renewal is £895. So help me out please, what are the realistic costs of using it day to day. Usually around 10 miles each way to work, popping out a couple of nights a week doing around the same sort of mileage and then occasional hooning at the weekend.
Talk me out of it before I start doing some maths and think I can afford it.
Didnt you tell me you werent interested in Evos due to the lack of involvement? Talk me out of it before I start doing some maths and think I can afford it.
The running costs arent too bad if you are fairly handy with a spanner, but even if not there are plenty of specialists who wont rip you off.
Just like Liner, I have been learning and mapping mine also, its great fun if you are a bit of a geek like me and if you spend the time on it you can really get it very good. The mapping software is opensource aswell which is great.
However, if I was wanting a daily driver I would consider an 8, the 6 is quite a bit more raw, with less sound proofing etc.
Join the MLR, there is a wealth of knowledge.
Plus the Integra has been atrocious on fuel recently so if I'm going be forking out on 23mpg I may aswell have more power to justify it
I have been doing some research into costs, does seem that if you get a good one they're bomb proof. Just trying to find a fairly local one to go and have a blast in. It's been a while since I last went in one.
DanDC5 said:
Plus the Integra has been atrocious on fuel recently so if I'm going be forking out on 23mpg I may aswell have more power to justify it
I'm sure you already know this, but you might want to check/change your primary O2 sensor. There is no way on earth you should be getting only 23mpg on a DC5 ITR. Mine does 35mpg all day long, has 130k under its belt, and I really don't hang about...Also, have you driven an Evo 6 lately? If you enjoy the way the DC5 drives, I suspect you might not like the Evo. I used to be an Evo guy through and through...I owned a 6 GSR, an 8 FQ320 and lastly a mint and original Evo 1 GSR.
None of them have a patch dynamically on the the DC5 (and definitely not the DC2). They are brutal, but in a lazy and uninvolving way. You have to ask yourself this...why does virtually everyone up the power on an Evo? Apart from it being cheap and easy, it's for one other reason: to stave off the boredom. This then creeps up with every power hike, so you're into the cycle again...and so on.
Power is the be all and end all in an Evo, and it's a party trick that's exciting for about 10 minutes.
John Galt said:
DanDC5 said:
Plus the Integra has been atrocious on fuel recently so if I'm going be forking out on 23mpg I may aswell have more power to justify it
I'm sure you already know this, but you might want to check/change your primary O2 sensor. There is no way on earth you should be getting only 23mpg on a DC5 ITR. Mine does 35mpg all day long, has 130k under its belt, and I really don't hang about...Also, have you driven an Evo 6 lately? If you enjoy the way the DC5 drives, I suspect you might not like the Evo. I used to be an Evo guy through and through...I owned a 6 GSR, an 8 FQ320 and lastly a mint and original Evo 1 GSR.
None of them have a patch dynamically on the the DC5 (and definitely not the DC2). They are brutal, but in a lazy and uninvolving way. You have to ask yourself this...why does virtually everyone up the power on an Evo? Apart from it being cheap and easy, it's for one other reason: to stave off the boredom. This then creeps up with every power hike, so you're into the cycle again...and so on.
Power is the be all and end all in an Evo, and it's a party trick that's exciting for about 10 minutes.
at the whole post from beginning with dc5 does 35mpg all day long to evos being uninvolving to drive.Cracking comedy.
John Galt said:
DanDC5 said:
Plus the Integra has been atrocious on fuel recently so if I'm going be forking out on 23mpg I may aswell have more power to justify it
I'm sure you already know this, but you might want to check/change your primary O2 sensor. There is no way on earth you should be getting only 23mpg on a DC5 ITR. Mine does 35mpg all day long, has 130k under its belt, and I really don't hang about...Also, have you driven an Evo 6 lately? If you enjoy the way the DC5 drives, I suspect you might not like the Evo. I used to be an Evo guy through and through...I owned a 6 GSR, an 8 FQ320 and lastly a mint and original Evo 1 GSR.
None of them have a patch dynamically on the the DC5 (and definitely not the DC2). They are brutal, but in a lazy and uninvolving way. You have to ask yourself this...why does virtually everyone up the power on an Evo? Apart from it being cheap and easy, it's for one other reason: to stave off the boredom. This then creeps up with every power hike, so you're into the cycle again...and so on.
Power is the be all and end all in an Evo, and it's a party trick that's exciting for about 10 minutes.
Gassing Station | Japanese Chat | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff