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There was a quote in Money Week from Alan Sugar that said....
mums and dads are the culprits. When their kids get to 13 they should say "no, you can't have a Playstation, if you want one, there's the supermarket....go down there and stack some shelves. Get yourself £40. Do it five times a week and you've got £200."
He's right, obviously, but what paid jobs are kids allowed to do without the employer being branded as some kids of child slavery person?
mums and dads are the culprits. When their kids get to 13 they should say "no, you can't have a Playstation, if you want one, there's the supermarket....go down there and stack some shelves. Get yourself £40. Do it five times a week and you've got £200."
He's right, obviously, but what paid jobs are kids allowed to do without the employer being branded as some kids of child slavery person?
Things like paper rounds and leaflet delivery are mainly done by adults that are recent arrivals to the country these days.
When i were a lad, these jobs were for kids.
I think the media are partly to blame, with the scare stories of abducted kiddies and such like. But also,who would you hire, an adult who needs the money or a kid who doesn't?
When i were a lad, these jobs were for kids.
I think the media are partly to blame, with the scare stories of abducted kiddies and such like. But also,who would you hire, an adult who needs the money or a kid who doesn't?
Sugar in 'ignorant tosser' shocker.
He does realise that to earn £40 stacking shelves would take 8 hours even if they were paid the £4.98 18-20 min wage (£3.68 for 16-17)?
So he's suggesting that school age kids should work a 40+ hour week on top of school to earn his £200?
He does know that legally a 13 year old can only work 25 hours per week?
As I said, tosser.
I take his point that kids need to learn the value of money, but he's just being sensationalist for no good reason
He does realise that to earn £40 stacking shelves would take 8 hours even if they were paid the £4.98 18-20 min wage (£3.68 for 16-17)?
So he's suggesting that school age kids should work a 40+ hour week on top of school to earn his £200?
He does know that legally a 13 year old can only work 25 hours per week?
As I said, tosser.
I take his point that kids need to learn the value of money, but he's just being sensationalist for no good reason
DocJock said:
Sugar in 'ignorant tosser' shocker.
He does realise that to earn £40 stacking shelves would take 8 hours even if they were paid the £4.98 18-20 min wage (£3.68 for 16-17)?
So he's suggesting that school age kids should work a 40+ hour week on top of school to earn his £200?
He does know that legally a 13 year old can only work 25 hours per week?
As I said, tosser.
I take his point that kids need to learn the value of money, but he's just being sensationalist for no good reason
I'm not sure he's being any more sensationalist than you are.He does realise that to earn £40 stacking shelves would take 8 hours even if they were paid the £4.98 18-20 min wage (£3.68 for 16-17)?
So he's suggesting that school age kids should work a 40+ hour week on top of school to earn his £200?
He does know that legally a 13 year old can only work 25 hours per week?
As I said, tosser.
I take his point that kids need to learn the value of money, but he's just being sensationalist for no good reason
If we ignore taking him 100% literally, what is wrong with a 13yr old kid doing, say 8hrs a wk on a paper round (or even doing stuff around the house?) and waiting a month for their Playstation? Or 4hrs a week and waiting 2mths?
The principle is spot on. His timeframes possibly just need a tweak. Though if a kid wants something so desperately, let em work a bit harder for it. Learning the value of money is one of the best lessons a child can be taught IMO. Too many think it grows on trees or is free, that you have a right to whatever you want.
DocJock said:
I take his point that kids need to learn the value of money, but he's just being sensationalist for no good reason
To be fair he threw some figures out to make a point. Try not to be too literal.
The principle that kids should earn things make them learn the value of money but more importantly that if they want things they need to earn them. I know lots of kids who have no respect for their own or anyone elses property, and events like last summers riots (An extreme example I'll admit) highlight the sense of entitlement that young people have now. This manifests itself by creating lazy young adults when they enter employment, to such a degree that when you find a 16-24 year old who is driven and capable they stand out head and shoulders above their peers as they are a minority.
vonuber said:
Why not make your kids 'earn' their money through doing jobs around the home?
So:
Wash up = 50p
Hoover the house = £1
Clean the chimney = £2.50
Strip and clean rear suspension on the Jag = £5
Dispose of chemical waste illegally = £3.98
And so on.
This is exactly what we do with my daughters and it works well and stops lots of arguments at home. Don't do your jobs don't get paid, simple!So:
Wash up = 50p
Hoover the house = £1
Clean the chimney = £2.50
Strip and clean rear suspension on the Jag = £5
Dispose of chemical waste illegally = £3.98
And so on.
We have a large white board/grid and as they do one of their jobs it gets signed off, totalled up and paid monthly.
Next week for the easter holidays they will work at our company for £2 per hour doing various jobs.
I only pay mine £3.50 for disposing of toxic waste though
My Dad said if you want extra money you will have to work for it.When I was 13 (in 1960) he got me a Saturday Morning job at a Co-Op butchers.I rode a "Hovis" trades bike for four hours delivering fresh meat over a wide area in all weathers for ten shillings (50p).Can you imagine a boy being allowed to do this today,even if he wanted to.Just list all the crazy "elf un safety",risk assessment,food hygiene,etc etc that would have to be considered.I would think most employers would be scared to death of the mine field when employing kids.
vonuber said:
Why not make your kids 'earn' their money through doing jobs around the home?
So:
Wash up = 50p
Hoover the house = £1
Clean the chimney = £2.50
Strip and clean rear suspension on the Jag = £5
Dispose of chemical waste illegally = £3.98
And so on.
Have dishwasherSo:
Wash up = 50p
Hoover the house = £1
Clean the chimney = £2.50
Strip and clean rear suspension on the Jag = £5
Dispose of chemical waste illegally = £3.98
And so on.
Have wife
Don't have a chimney
Don't have a Jag
Chemical waste??? WTF???
einsign said:
vonuber said:
Why not make your kids 'earn' their money through doing jobs around the home?
So:
Wash up = 50p
Hoover the house = £1
Clean the chimney = £2.50
Strip and clean rear suspension on the Jag = £5
Dispose of chemical waste illegally = £3.98
And so on.
This is exactly what we do with my daughters and it works well and stops lots of arguments at home. Don't do your jobs don't get paid, simple!So:
Wash up = 50p
Hoover the house = £1
Clean the chimney = £2.50
Strip and clean rear suspension on the Jag = £5
Dispose of chemical waste illegally = £3.98
And so on.
We have a large white board/grid and as they do one of their jobs it gets signed off, totalled up and paid monthly.
Next week for the easter holidays they will work at our company for £2 per hour doing various jobs.
I only pay mine £3.50 for disposing of toxic waste though
I think its a great life lesson
got my kids to help strip and rebuild the rear brakes on the mrs car today. great little helpers, they took turns running to get the correct tools, and alternated taking turns doing the spanner work too. great half day spent getting mucky..
and as their only 6 all it cost me was an icelolly each... bargain
and as their only 6 all it cost me was an icelolly each... bargain
SystemParanoia said:
got my kids to help strip and rebuild the rear brakes on the mrs car today. great little helpers, they took turns running to get the correct tools, and alternated taking turns doing the spanner work too. great half day spent getting mucky..
and as their only 6 all it cost me was an icelolly each... bargain
Each. You and your bourgeoisie ways.and as their only 6 all it cost me was an icelolly each... bargain
who says barter is dead Well, I've worked since I was 13, back in the late 70's and I would say it was an excellent experence. First in a local village shop at the weekend for £5 a day and by the time I was doing my A levels I was working 6 days a week - weekdays evenings 4-8 and Saturdays 1-7 in one of the first video shops, long before the days of Blockbuster. At 17, I wrote my first business plan.
Having my own money was great and I think gave me a good work ethic.
I think that it's good for kids to do some kind of work but I don't know where they will find it - I was working in small shops in a village which were owned by local people, today your local shop is more than likely to be a Tesco Metro and do parents still employ young people as babysitters etc?
Having my own money was great and I think gave me a good work ethic.
I think that it's good for kids to do some kind of work but I don't know where they will find it - I was working in small shops in a village which were owned by local people, today your local shop is more than likely to be a Tesco Metro and do parents still employ young people as babysitters etc?
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