Fuel tanker strikes on the horizon
Discussion
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17502973
The army is being readied for action to deliver fuel to emergency services, good thing.
Fuel disruption and bother for the government who have no wish to lower the ridiculous tax levels, good thing.
Unite union striking because of T&C's for tanker drivers, bad thing.
I'm all for fuel protests but this isn't a protest about the ridiculous duty levels, its just the usual unions trying to get attention in the only way they think works, which it doesn't realy.
I was hoping that we could see a proper protest about fuel duty levels in the UK, but with that now being a terroist activity thanks to the Labour government I don't think these dumb lot in power at the moment have anything to worry about.
The army is being readied for action to deliver fuel to emergency services, good thing.
Fuel disruption and bother for the government who have no wish to lower the ridiculous tax levels, good thing.
Unite union striking because of T&C's for tanker drivers, bad thing.
I'm all for fuel protests but this isn't a protest about the ridiculous duty levels, its just the usual unions trying to get attention in the only way they think works, which it doesn't realy.
I was hoping that we could see a proper protest about fuel duty levels in the UK, but with that now being a terroist activity thanks to the Labour government I don't think these dumb lot in power at the moment have anything to worry about.
2000 drivers are needed to keep the petrol stations topped up, Government is hoping to provide 500 drivers. These drivers will be asked to ensure emergency supplies are kept up at designated stations only.
So that means if you don't live in a City you will be last on a very long list.
So that means if you don't live in a City you will be last on a very long list.
Only some of them are getting paid that much, some are on a lot less than that.
When the work gets contracted out, it goes to the company that can do it for next to nothing, meaning that drivers lose their jobs. Then companies take advantage of the glut of drivers on the market, they drive the wages right down and the drivers end up having to take the jobs a lot lower rate of pay than they were on before (and usually less hours etc etc)... mainly because they still have that family to feed and that mortgage to pay.
The lower it costs for any haulage company to do a job generally means the less they pay their drivers.
When the work gets contracted out, it goes to the company that can do it for next to nothing, meaning that drivers lose their jobs. Then companies take advantage of the glut of drivers on the market, they drive the wages right down and the drivers end up having to take the jobs a lot lower rate of pay than they were on before (and usually less hours etc etc)... mainly because they still have that family to feed and that mortgage to pay.
The lower it costs for any haulage company to do a job generally means the less they pay their drivers.
AJI said:
I'm all for fuel protests but this isn't a protest about the ridiculous duty levels, its just the usual unions trying to get attention in the only way they think works, which it doesn't realy.
This seems to happen every few years - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7467314.stmIt does appear to work, which is why they do it.
speedchick said:
Only some of them are getting paid that much, some are on a lot less than that.
When the work gets contracted out, it goes to the company that can do it for next to nothing, meaning that drivers lose their jobs. Then companies take advantage of the glut of drivers on the market, they drive the wages right down and the drivers end up having to take the jobs a lot lower rate of pay than they were on before (and usually less hours etc etc)... mainly because they still have that family to feed and that mortgage to pay.
The lower it costs for any haulage company to do a job generally means the less they pay their drivers.
So market forces then! The same can apply to any area of work. The average wage in the UK is in the mid 20's. So even if it is a bit below 45 they are still doing well for what is a driving job (I know that they needs extra training and so on) When the work gets contracted out, it goes to the company that can do it for next to nothing, meaning that drivers lose their jobs. Then companies take advantage of the glut of drivers on the market, they drive the wages right down and the drivers end up having to take the jobs a lot lower rate of pay than they were on before (and usually less hours etc etc)... mainly because they still have that family to feed and that mortgage to pay.
The lower it costs for any haulage company to do a job generally means the less they pay their drivers.
I'm not quite sure where this 45k salary is coming from.
At best they are at mid to high 30's.
Looking around the usual suspect news site comments sections a lot of people are blabbering on about this 45k and it's disgusting as I do a [insert self important job here],they make you sick.
A lot of tanker drivers that are commenting and stating they get nowhere near 45k for a 40 hr working week are being ignored,probably easier to ignore the truth and runaway with the headlines.
Anyway as it is they are drumming up "some" support but I think people need to be careful what they wish for here.The Army can not supply 90% of the work with 300 drivers against 100% of the work with 2000 drivers.
If it's a long strike only emergency services will be able to get fuel and it won't take long for the available fuel to everyone else starts running dry.
We all saw how badly affected the country became when there was blockades back in 2000.
I also think the tanker drivers ought to tread carefully too,they are at risk of doing themselves out of a job.
At best they are at mid to high 30's.
Looking around the usual suspect news site comments sections a lot of people are blabbering on about this 45k and it's disgusting as I do a [insert self important job here],they make you sick.
A lot of tanker drivers that are commenting and stating they get nowhere near 45k for a 40 hr working week are being ignored,probably easier to ignore the truth and runaway with the headlines.
Anyway as it is they are drumming up "some" support but I think people need to be careful what they wish for here.The Army can not supply 90% of the work with 300 drivers against 100% of the work with 2000 drivers.
If it's a long strike only emergency services will be able to get fuel and it won't take long for the available fuel to everyone else starts running dry.
We all saw how badly affected the country became when there was blockades back in 2000.
I also think the tanker drivers ought to tread carefully too,they are at risk of doing themselves out of a job.
Jonathan27 said:
So market forces then! The same can apply to any area of work. The average wage in the UK is in the mid 20's. So even if it is a bit below 45 they are still doing well for what is a driving job (I know that they needs extra training and so on)
There's a bit more to it than extra training.The average office monkey might suffer a paper cut or a strained muscle whilst carrying some documents between desks but as an ex-tanker driver, I can assure you if the tanker-drivers have an accident, they can pay with their life.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2746953.stm
Edited by Flawless Victory on Monday 26th March 17:18
Panda76 said:
I'm not quite sure where this 45k salary is coming from.
At best they are at mid to high 30's.
Looking around the usual suspect news site comments sections a lot of people are blabbering on about this 45k and it's disgusting as I do a [insert self important job here],they make you sick.
A lot of tanker drivers that are commenting and stating they get nowhere near 45k for a 40 hr working week are being ignored,probably easier to ignore the truth and runaway with the headlines.
Anyway as it is they are drumming up "some" support but I think people need to be careful what they wish for here.The Army can not supply 90% of the work with 300 drivers against 100% of the work with 2000 drivers.
If it's a long strike only emergency services will be able to get fuel and it won't take long for the available fuel to everyone else starts running dry.
We all saw how badly affected the country became when there was blockades back in 2000.
I also think the tanker drivers ought to tread carefully too,they are at risk of doing themselves out of a job.
Mid to high 30s is a lot of money in most places around the UK, I'd love mid to high 30s so striking because you're "only" on mid to high 30s is shocking.At best they are at mid to high 30's.
Looking around the usual suspect news site comments sections a lot of people are blabbering on about this 45k and it's disgusting as I do a [insert self important job here],they make you sick.
A lot of tanker drivers that are commenting and stating they get nowhere near 45k for a 40 hr working week are being ignored,probably easier to ignore the truth and runaway with the headlines.
Anyway as it is they are drumming up "some" support but I think people need to be careful what they wish for here.The Army can not supply 90% of the work with 300 drivers against 100% of the work with 2000 drivers.
If it's a long strike only emergency services will be able to get fuel and it won't take long for the available fuel to everyone else starts running dry.
We all saw how badly affected the country became when there was blockades back in 2000.
I also think the tanker drivers ought to tread carefully too,they are at risk of doing themselves out of a job.
Flawless Victory said:
There's a bit more to it than extra training.
The average office monkey might suffer a paper cut or a strained muscle whilst carrying some documents between desks but as an ex-tanker driver, I can assure you if the tanker-drivers have an accident, they can pay with their life.
Whilst that's obviously true, surely so can any number of other workers in any number of other professions?The average office monkey might suffer a paper cut or a strained muscle whilst carrying some documents between desks but as an ex-tanker driver, I can assure you if the tanker-drivers have an accident, they can pay with their life.
Blib said:
Mojocvh said:
Well the military get ordered to intervene in a industrial dispute, thin ice Mr Cameron, thin ice.
Green Goddesses? I didn't see much blood on the streets.No, using the Armed forces to intervene, when there is no OVERT threat to life, is just another step on the slippery slope to fascism.
But then again, it's the civil service that has been greasing the wheels for quite some time now
hornet said:
Flawless Victory said:
There's a bit more to it than extra training.
The average office monkey might suffer a paper cut or a strained muscle whilst carrying some documents between desks but as an ex-tanker driver, I can assure you if the tanker-drivers have an accident, they can pay with their life.
Whilst that's obviously true, surely so can any number of other workers in any number of other professions?The average office monkey might suffer a paper cut or a strained muscle whilst carrying some documents between desks but as an ex-tanker driver, I can assure you if the tanker-drivers have an accident, they can pay with their life.
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