Remember this guy from the Birmingham Riots!!
Remember this guy from the Birmingham Riots!!
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superkartracer

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253 months

Thursday 5th April 2012
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DonkeyApple

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200 months

Thursday 5th April 2012
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To anyone who says multi-culturalism isn't working, there is 'nowt more British than this:

Jahan was driving along Factory Road on 6 July and beeped his horn at a van blocking the road, the court heard.

Mr Ali, 34, had been standing by the roadside speaking to the van driver and mouthed something aggressively to Jahan, who was accompanied by his wife.

Jahan told the jury he got out of the car to speak to Mr Ali to try to resolve the situation.

He then admitted hitting Mr Ali who he claimed had headbutted him first.

Mr Ali disputed that version of events.

He claimed Jahan became aggressive because he accused Mr Ali of staring at his wife.

Mr Ali told the court Jahan said: "Oi, why you staring at me?" before he climbed out of his car and accused him of "staring at my missus".


Eric Mc

125,887 posts

296 months

Thursday 5th April 2012
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Sounds like a very British type of dispute.

carmonk

7,910 posts

218 months

Thursday 5th April 2012
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To be fair he's probably under a bit of stress but it does taint his recent speech with hypocrisy.

wolves_wanderer

12,959 posts

268 months

Thursday 5th April 2012
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DonkeyApple said:
To anyone who says multi-culturalism isn't working, there is 'nowt more British than this:

Jahan was driving along Factory Road on 6 July and beeped his horn at a van blocking the road, the court heard.

Mr Ali, 34, had been standing by the roadside speaking to the van driver and mouthed something aggressively to Jahan, who was accompanied by his wife.

Jahan told the jury he got out of the car to speak to Mr Ali to try to resolve the situation.

He then admitted hitting Mr Ali who he claimed had headbutted him first.

Mr Ali disputed that version of events.

He claimed Jahan became aggressive because he accused Mr Ali of staring at his wife.

Mr Ali told the court Jahan said: "Oi, why you staring at me?" before he climbed out of his car and accused him of "staring at my missus".
hehe The only thing missing (for understandable reasons) is the traditional spilt pint smile

otolith

69,655 posts

235 months

Thursday 5th April 2012
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So it would appear that the guy who appealed for calm after his son was killed wasn't by nature a "turn the other cheek" kind of guy.

davepoth

29,395 posts

230 months

Thursday 5th April 2012
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otolith said:
So it would appear that the guy who appealed for calm after his son was killed wasn't by nature a "turn the other cheek" kind of guy.
Which makes his conduct that evening all the more impressive. That was probably the only night he would have had a very good chance of hunting the killers down like dogs and beating them to death in the street, and getting away with it.

gtdc

4,259 posts

314 months

Thursday 5th April 2012
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davepoth said:
Which makes his conduct that evening all the more impressive. That was probably the only night he would have had a very good chance of hunting the killers down like dogs and beating them to death in the street, and getting away with it.
That.

otolith

69,655 posts

235 months

Thursday 5th April 2012
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Exactly.

Victor McDade

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213 months

Thursday 5th April 2012
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carmonk said:
To be fair he's probably under a bit of stress but it does taint his recent speech with hypocrisy.
This incident occurred before his son's killing so don't think stress can be used as an excuse here.

carmonk

7,910 posts

218 months

Thursday 5th April 2012
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I'm struggling to think how he would have got away with it, either legally or in terms of retribution attacks. He did show admirable restraint but he took the only path available to him if he didn't want to be banged up for life and have his house burned down. I'm not too fussed about his recent conduct, it's just unfortunate that it reflects on what he said previously.

carmonk

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218 months

Thursday 5th April 2012
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Victor McDade said:
carmonk said:
To be fair he's probably under a bit of stress but it does taint his recent speech with hypocrisy.
This incident occurred before his son's killing so don't think stress can be used as an excuse here.
Ah, right. I didn't know that.

perdu

4,885 posts

230 months

Thursday 5th April 2012
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"The so called *Hero*"

Is there some point to this tosh?

Bloke driving, stopped because he can't move sees bloke eyeing his missus...

And has a typical ruck in the street, as Wolves Wanderer says, only missing the spilled pint.

Same bloke wrecked 'cos his son has just been murdered reacts brilliantly and instinctively to stop a vile situation getting even worse.

How the hell is there any reason to mock him?

Do you think he was thinking about having given Ali the Handsworth Kiss and looking for a way out? In the middle of a bloody riot?

Sad place where you live mate

nothing to see here, move along

Victor McDade

4,395 posts

213 months

Thursday 5th April 2012
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To be fair to him what he did that day saved the police and community a lot of grief, and potentially even saved lives.

What good he did during the riots outweighs the negatives of this conviction imo.


rpguk

4,520 posts

315 months

Thursday 5th April 2012
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otolith said:
So it would appear that the guy who appealed for calm after his son was killed wasn't by nature a "turn the other cheek" kind of guy.
Is that glee? Would you have preferred that he instead reverted to type and asked for retribution on the night of the riots?

superkartracer

Original Poster:

8,959 posts

253 months

Thursday 5th April 2012
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perdu said:
"The so called *Hero*"

Is there some point to this tosh?
Yep, he's an ahole going around punching people in the face... and not the lovely community figure he appeared to be, rather simple really.

12gauge

1,274 posts

205 months

Thursday 5th April 2012
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I think the main thing is the absurd media circus turning him into some god like figure. I seriously thought an OBE wasnt far off. I'm not going to gloat or anything, but its so typical of the media to get things utterly, utterly wrong. Like assuming the Brevik crazy was a muslim before knowing the first detail, or assuming the Muslamic frenchman was a white supremacist.

Everytime it seems they are caught with their pants down, and, assuming this guy was a saint, too.

Its not so much a comment on the man, just the dire standards of the TV news.

otolith

69,655 posts

235 months

Thursday 5th April 2012
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rpguk said:
otolith said:
So it would appear that the guy who appealed for calm after his son was killed wasn't by nature a "turn the other cheek" kind of guy.
Is that glee? Would you have preferred that he instead reverted to type and asked for retribution on the night of the riots?
Not at all - I think what he did is all the more admirable if he is not a passive and forgiving man by nature.

FarleyRusk

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242 months

Friday 6th April 2012
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otolith said:
Not at all - I think what he did is all the more admirable if he is not a passive and forgiving man by nature.
Agreed. For the record, here is his incredibly wise speech the day after his lad was killed -

TariqJahan said:
Today, we stand here to plead with all the youth to remain calm, for our communities to stand united. This is not a race issue. The family has received messages of sympathy and support from all parts of society. Respect the memories of our sons
Why do we have to kill one another? Why are we doing this?’ he added.

Step forward if you want to lose your sons. Otherwise, calm down and go home – please

wolves_wanderer

12,959 posts

268 months

Friday 6th April 2012
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superkartracer said:
perdu said:
"The so called *Hero*"

Is there some point to this tosh?
Yep, he's an ahole going around punching people in the face... and not the lovely community figure he appeared to be, rather simple really.
So one doesn't outweigh the other on Planet Superkartracer?